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Bard 37 34.91%
Ranger 39 36.79%
Other (please give your faulty reasoning) 23 21.70%
Keep twin towers as is. 13 12.26%
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Old 03-21-2019, 02:52 PM
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The only time a paladin is inferior as a “group” tank is if the groups goal is to take on some semi difficult raidish named that normally warriors defensive/evasive on. General in Kith for example destroys a paly tank compared to warriors.

If we re talking PUG style dungeon crawl a Paladin is the top of tank food chain as Greame exciting tale hilights how crucial having stuns roots and even an emergency res can be.

If you use a paladin for tank you can likely get away from needing a cleric if you have your other group slots also flexible hybrids like bards ranger and druid even. If you give a paly clarity aka have ench in group he will basically never run out of mana unless hes really pumping heals but its just rather amazing how well they can just handle group content w lulls n roots to split rooms even.

The other great thing about paladin is theyre rare! Server is 10 years old and there is rarely if ever 10 lvl 60 paladins online at same time. Most of the time its like 1-3 ! Embrace it fellow paladins, this poll is an outrage for not listing the answer to the OP Question.
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Old 03-21-2019, 04:03 PM
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Allow me to ask you this about pallies. Let’s say another melee has 2 bags of these, what advantage is a pally still giving your group?

https://wiki.project1999.com/Forlorn...of_Rolfron_Zek
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Old 03-21-2019, 04:22 PM
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Allow me to ask you this about pallies. Let’s say another melee has 2 bags of these, what advantage is a pally still giving your group?

https://wiki.project1999.com/Forlorn...of_Rolfron_Zek
Clicky Symbol 300 hp heal ( can heal forever bc good paladins w DW BP have full bag of jaspers)

Heal Over Time - One of most efficient HoTs out there

Divine Str - Free HP? Yes pls!

Stuns to prevent mobs gating or healing

Undead mastery - Nukes and swords w undead procs

Can bash w epic - more interrupts

Can Res - up to 90% exp returned!

Can split room w lull - (or root)

Ghetto CC aka root

Can heal group while tanking and then notice pet break from corner of eye then casually toss a stun to make ench life easier.

Warrior aint got none of dis.
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Allow me to ask you this about allies. Let’s say another melee has 2 bags of these, what advantage is a pally still giving your group?

https://wiki.project1999.com/Forlorn...of_Rolfron_Zek
  • (Chargeless) Roots
  • (Chargeless) Stuns
  • Backup instant heals(or just consistent heals with any enc +/ potg +/bard),
  • Celestial cleansing hot which is more efficient than any instant heal excluding Complete heal
  • Pinch Calms
  • 150hp reagent-less rune (albeit with cooldown)
  • +200hp buff (CH efficiency, Enc safety net)
  • Rez
  • LOH
Also IIRC it was patched a while back that classes without manabars can't channel clickies through anything, so unless the melee is not a pure they'll probably have a hard time trying to use those while being hit.

Edit2: Yep : https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...d.php?t=186455
  • Haynar: Pure melee (or anyone currently lacking the channeling skill) will no longer be able to channel through spells, if they get hit by melee or move while casting the spell.


Edit: Goddamnit Era Xd
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Old 03-21-2019, 04:25 PM
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man me and Greame love paladins!
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Old 03-21-2019, 04:55 PM
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Enchanter, makes everything easier...added bonus of no mellee to buff/heal
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Old 03-21-2019, 04:56 PM
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Enchanter, makes everything easier...added bonus of no mellee to buff/heal
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For 99% of group content? Paladin.

For the other 1%? Warrior because you needed the disc.

Paladin:
-only REAL tank that can root without a clicky
-only REAL tank that can heal (self or others) without a clicky
-only Tank that can produce on demand stun
-only tank that can Rez without a clicky
-only REAL tank that can pacify/lull
-loh
-ghetto cleric buffs (symbol/reso)
-divine str buff
-dps isn’t good but likewise is not terrible once geared

Honorable mention: bard. Sk are more capable straight up tanks by a long shot but bards can do so much more extra.

Worst: ranger
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Old 03-21-2019, 05:21 PM
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SKs can heal other without a clicky, just sayin.
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Old 03-21-2019, 05:25 PM
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The Pallie story is a great one, and why people love EQ.

Since this is a tank debate thread, and only because of that because otherwise it really was a great story and the telling of it was wonderfully executed, if we were to replace the pallie with a bard in your story, the Expet would have been immediately charmed by the bard so that the group could continue killing fast and then slowed before it did any damage to anyone to finish it off.

Bard wins.

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