AG, Riot, Freedom raid suspended indefinitely

[Pint]

Someone wake me up when its time to rotate

[Naonak]

Next month with Kunark on green, no one will give 2 copper about blue again.

[Fammaden]

Originally Posted by Zoggren [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The raid scene was civil for a year because one guild dominated all high end content. AG barely saw inner ring NToV or Vulak, and were beat time and again for city leaders in a system designed to favor those with the most experience with the current raid rule set.

Freedom forms out of AG and Riot and (Aftermath) and suddenly the guild who had it nearly on lock must fight again for spawns. No guild with power like that is going to give it up easily, and the same could be said of Aftermath when Riot surpassed them.

Riot decided to rules lawyer and Aftermath had their own response to suddenly being challenged. I think in the end it made it toxic, whether through 20 page petitions or cut throat play. Both guilds regularly fielded 125 plus during their height for mobs. The idea that either of them were zergs would be false, as each had knowledgeable playmakers that knew how to be successful inside a byzantine rule set that other guilds often didn't fully understand. I am sure Paradigm Shift and Core had a more difficult time under Aftermath than AG did under Riot, but in the end losing so many mobs to one guild brings the same feeling of animosity.

No system will work here with one guild dominating again that will not lead to the creation of a toxic environment. Any solution that will work will have to result in Riot Freedom and AG all losing mobs, and opening up more raid content to Kittens, TSS and DB, plus any other alliances.

Ideas of making a more punitive system are moot, we've already tried that. The idea that the GM's can be perfect arbitrators has already proven to be a false one, and they just don't want to anymore. You can have certain mobs on rotation while still having competition on other mobs. A system that can entice guilds to work together instead of creating a hyper partisan system, where people hate entire guilds because they must destroy them during cycle days.

It needs to be a radical rethinking, for the better of the server. We all live here in the end. We're all p99'ers. The GM's are letting us decide which way to go and more than just the top 3 guilds should have a say in it.

One more time, with enter key use, because its a good post.

[Grumph]

Open raids.

Random for loot.

Problem solved.

It’s not a rotation (bc that’s not gonna work)
and there’s nothing to petition (because that’s not going to work).

Everyone takes 100% responsibility for getting whatever loot they want.

And if you loose? You have only your own dice to blame.

It’s the way classic EQ was always meant to be played.

[Jorgam]

Just fucking instance it!

[kaizersoze]

TMO throttles blue - RMT bans destroy them
AM throttles the server - Tells all the casuls to get good
Riot people AM rustled throttle the server - the three biggest raid guilds get suspended because nobody can agree to a few basic rotations like RW and Tuna.

[Ripqozko]

Let’s not worry about a resolution for few months, take a break and quit being toxic.

[kaizersoze]

Originally Posted by Ripqozko [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Let’s not worry about a resolution for few months, take a break and quit being toxic.

a little time outside, in the gym, and with the mrs / mr / whatever it is you call your person you bang wouldnt hurt everyone.

[BiG SiP]

consider Green

[Detoxx]

Love how people say that there was no toxicity before Freedom. Riot had no competition aside from AG when they felt like competing. AG was not a guild that competed week in and week out. They are a different kind of successful guild. They competed when they wanted and if they wanted to take it easy for a while, they did.

There will never be toxicity when there is no competition. The toxicity started when Riot started losing mobs and were upset that 2 of their favorite people left and "betrayed" them. They had an overwhelming disdain for Freedom from day 1. This is what causes toxicity, not killing everything uncontested for 9 months. Blame me all you want but it takes two to tango.