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Old 01-20-2021, 04:38 PM
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if he gets convicted he cant run again which is what the dems want because they know in 2024 he will be back to grab pussies 100%
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Old 01-20-2021, 04:45 PM
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He'll get some really mild conviction for which easily obtainable evidence is used. All other charges will be thrown aside as too much of the establishment would be indicted by digging beneath anything but a scratch of the surface.
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Old 01-20-2021, 04:46 PM
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if he gets convicted he cant run again which is what the dems want because they know in 2024 he will be back to grab pussies 100%
If that's the case he might get the republican votes for conviction to re-take the party and perhaps save some face for the guys left holding the bag right now.
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Old 01-20-2021, 05:00 PM
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"The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any Subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices, and he shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offenses against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment."

They may wish to officially impeach him so that his pardons can be negated. Maybe all of them depending on how the court decides it, since I am guessing there is no precedent here. This would make egregious pardoning less of a problem since such pardons are nullified by successful impeachment. Also these pardons are for offenses against the United States (like going to war) so there seems to be lots of other avenues to prosecure people he has pardoned.
"and he shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offenses against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment." I believe is not meant to be read as nullifying his pardons in the event of his impeachment. This language means that he cannot pardon someone who has themselves been impeached. This makes sense, from both a checks and balances perspective and a separation of power perspective. Impeachment is a legislative check on executive power, and the executive branch cannot simply brush it aside by its own fiat the way it could a criminal conviction. It is also a purely political process, rather than a criminal one. I don't *think* there's any precedent for criminal penalty coming out of an impeachment process - that would raise all sorts of constitutional issues, if so.
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Old 01-20-2021, 05:15 PM
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They can't sentence him to jail and I've never heard of the barred from office idea being used.

Give me an example instead of touching yourself?
Obviously they can’t sentence him to jail, this isn’t a criminal conviction.

Barred from office is quite literally one of the penalties of being convicted in an impeachment trial. Congress does not seek that penalty; it occurs by default if you’re convicted. I think you should go educate yourself on what penalties occur when someone is convicted in their impeachment trial.
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Zero chance of a conviction even if the will is there, which is highly doubtful, but the time simply is not. Once he is no longer in office, he can no longer be impeached.
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Old 01-20-2021, 05:18 PM
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Zero chance of a conviction even if the will is there, which is highly doubtful, but the time simply is not. Once he is no longer in office, he can no longer be impeached.
Can you please point out the part in the United States Constitution that says, "once a president is no longer in office, he can longer be impeached," to me? Which article and section?
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Old 01-20-2021, 05:22 PM
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First, you should have made a poll

Second, its impossible because you need either 14 or 17 republicans to convict which you wont get

The second impeachment will just make his 2024 run stronger when he gets 100m votes after people see how bad biden is.
The person who lost the House of Representatives, the Senate, and the White House in four years is also going to be re-elected in a landslide? After losing by an "Electoral College landslide," himself?

That's an interesting conclusion. He's an electoral loser on literally every single metric. No one comes close in modern history except Hoover.

Good thing he pardoned a felony weapons charge for Lil' Wayne, though. That really is a great message for the party of Law and Order and probably has a lot of appeal to his base.
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Old 01-20-2021, 05:32 PM
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Obviously they canít sentence him to jail, this isnít a criminal conviction.

Barred from office is quite literally one of the penalties of being convicted in an impeachment trial. Congress does not seek that penalty; it occurs by default if youíre convicted. I think you should go educate yourself on what penalties occur when someone is convicted in their impeachment trial.
It requires a separate vote and would be subject to court challenge, Mr Dingus
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Old 01-20-2021, 05:46 PM
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Imagine still believing this hocus pocus.
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