Georgia voting law change

[loramin]

I refuse to engage with people that won't live in reality ... except to (probably futilely) try and get them to live in reality.

The fact that you two just keep coming at me with nonsense ... but neither of you can refute any of the three points I gave you ... is a tacit acknowledgement that you recognize the logical correctness of my argument.

[Baler]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I refuse to engage with people that won't live in reality ... except to (probably futilely) try and get them to live in reality.

The fact that you two just keep coming at me with nonsense ... but neither of you can refute any of the three points I gave you ... is a tacit acknowledgement that I'm right.

Why do you believe that black American citizens are unable to obtain valid identification in 2021?

You want non-sense?

[G13]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I refuse to engage with people that won't live in reality ... except to (probably futilely) try and get them to live in reality.

You don't have an argument that much is clear


This is the problem with emotional lefties. They've become lazy and believe that if they just call something racist, that ends the discussion. Maybe you don't realize it, but trying to equate a perfectly sensible voting law like this to "Jim Crow on Steroids" waters down the real struggle blacks went through in this country back then. You're devaluing their experiences and I'm sure if they were alive today they would feel the same way

Proof of Citizenship to be eligible to vote is not racism. It's common sense. Otherwise every election cycle they'll just fill out millions of ballots cast by Mickey Mouse, stuff it in a ballot box and call it a day

[Cassawary]

PAPERS PLZ

e: mandatory ID constitutes an unlawful search

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Baler [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why do you believe that black American citizens are unable to obtain valid identification in 2021?

For the same reason all Americans are unable to get into shape to do ten push-ups.

Originally Posted by G13 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You don't have an argument that much is clear

Yeah, nothing at all clear about the argument that neither of you have been able to answer for more than a page now ...

whether you like it or not A) IDs do (in practice/effectively) nothing to ensure fair elections, B) they absolutely disenfranchise black voters disproportionately, C) they are part of a VERY LONG history of racist voting laws in Georgia.

Look, if you want to sway me with a logical argument, just provide evidence the above is false. Show me any neutral third-party party that says "yes we legitimately need voter IDs to protect our elections". Or show me any neutral party with evidence that blacks do have IDs at similar rates as whites. Or show me a credible historian who won't tell me Georgia's history is chock full of racist voter suppression laws.

But by all means, please keep bringing up unrelated tangential arguments, which show you have nothing to say to the thing I keep repeating over and over. It really shows the strength of your oh-so-democratic position.

[Trexller]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

For the same reason all Americans are unable to get into shape to do ten push-ups.

Is that really the hill you wanna die on?

You are equating obtaining valid ID to push ups?

Baler is right, anyone, including people of color have the same access to a govt ID as anyone else, if they don't pursue this, it is their fault.

POC get mortgages, they are employed, they purchase cars and then drive them on public roads, just like the rest of us.

all of those things require ID, so it would seem that they already have one.

[Raev]

Originally Posted by Loramin

For the same reason all Americans are unable to get into shape to do ten push-ups.

Please keep your racism in California.

In any case, it's not who votes that counts, but who counts the votes. If voting actually mattered, they wouldn't let you do it.

[Baler]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

For the same reason all Americans are unable to get into shape to do ten push-ups.

You just stereotyped Americans.

[Cassawary]

Originally Posted by Trexller [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Baler is right, anyone, including people of color have the same access to a govt ID as anyone else, if they don't pursue this, it is their fault.

Where in the Constitution does it say you must pay a fee to exercise your rights?

[G13]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah, nothing at all clear about the argument that neither of you have been able to answer for more than a page now ...



But by all means, please keep bringing up unrelated tangential arguments, which show you have nothing to say to the thing I keep repeating over and over. It really shows the strength of your oh-so-democratic position.

Hilarious Projection

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

whether you like it or not A) IDs do (in practice/effectively) nothing to ensure fair elections, B) they absolutely disenfranchise black voters disproportionately, C) they are part of a VERY LONG history of racist voting laws in Georgia.

Look, if you want to sway me with a logical argument, just provide evidence the above is false. Show me any neutral third-party party that says "yes we legitimately need voter IDs to protect our elections". Or show me any neutral party with evidence that blacks do have IDs at similar rates as whites. Or show me a credible historian who won't tell me Georgia's history is chock full of racist voter suppression laws.

If IDs didn't ensure fair elections why the push back against them with such extreme rhetoric

How can anyone possibly sway you with logic? You're purely emotional and lazy. You actually believe if you just call something racist that settles it

You're being very patronizing and racist towards blacks by assuming they don't want election integrity. Going by your logic, when a black person attempts to buy a beer and has to show ID he's being "disenfranchised".



I have a challenge for you that I'm 100% sure you will fail

Make your case against showing proof of voting eligibility without conjuring up racism and Jim Crow. You won't even try. I'm sure of it.