<Aftermath> to Classic WoW

[Vianna]

Originally Posted by feniin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't think Aftermath can really negotiate which mobs Riot can't kill when Aftermath cannot kill said mobs. Let's offer up some Tormax, Statue, Dozekar, Dains. Trips/Doubles.

Hahaha. So AM was just dying according to you guys. But you just listed off 4 of the best mobs in the game that they kill. Regularly enough to worry you. So instead of worrying about what is good for smaller guilds this suddenly turns into "What can you give to us specificallly". Instead of just working on something that is good for everyone.

[feniin]

Originally Posted by Vianna [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You have a comprehension problem. I said THIS is why a rotation between all guilds needs to be established. That was the example for why you can't just say "One week we compete and the next we just leave it alone". Because then only a 3rd guild will see the content.

Oh, so rotate the entire server after, I don't know, 4 months ago, you were completely against the idea of rotations of any sort? Can't compete so now you have to join the rotation bandwagon?

Your memory might be short but I personally was dealing with Monrezz and Detoxx and their pushback against rotations. And Detoxx's hissy fits when he didn't get his way, threatening to pull out of EVERY agreement.

[ajohnymous]

Originally Posted by Aethor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Exactly, Aftermath is hardly competitive anymore. AM is lucky anyone is even asking their opinion of the raid scene/rotations at this point.

Ouch.

[feniin]

Originally Posted by Vianna [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hahaha. So AM was just dying according to you guys. But you just listed off 4 of the best mobs in the game that they kill. Regularly enough to worry you. So instead of worrying about what is good for smaller guilds this suddenly turns into "What can you give to us specificallly". Instead of just working on something that is good for everyone.

You give up nothing - that's not how a compromise works. You've put nothing on the table. You're betting someone else's chips.

[Aethor]

Originally Posted by Baylan295 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Actually AM offered up AM/Riot/Everyone else in VP

^ This, Arcler said AM/Riot dont need 2 separate windows, we can compete against eachother - Detoxx declined, saying AM deserves a handicap XD

[feniin]

Originally Posted by Aethor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Exactly, Aftermath is hardly competitive anymore. AM is lucky anyone is even asking their opinion of the raid scene/rotations at this point.

YIKES. Aethor spittin' fire.

[Vianna]

Originally Posted by Baylan295 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Actually AM offered up AM/Riot/Everyone else in VP

Your reading skills again fail you

DetoxxToday at 6:45 PM
vp sounds like a good zone to open up for all to experience
i know that any guild that radis has enough keys now
rotating vp would be a good start
still some bis loot for everyone in there
afterall it is year 5 of velious

[Baylan295]

Originally Posted by Vianna [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Your reading skills again fail you

DetoxxToday at 6:45 PM
vp sounds like a good zone to open up for all to experience
i know that any guild that radis has enough keys now
rotating vp would be a good start
still some bis loot for everyone in there
afterall it is year 5 of velious

Dude, keep reading. Right around 20 minutes after that is when the real conversation starts.

The hours idea was to keep things with a competitive flavor. An idea Riot testes with Yeli. It worked.

Arth asked what smaller guilds wanted to see. Detoxx said he was done.

How is Riot’s the unreasonable position?

[Baylan295]

Originally Posted by Vianna [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Your reading skills again fail you

DetoxxToday at 6:45 PM
vp sounds like a good zone to open up for all to experience
i know that any guild that radis has enough keys now
rotating vp would be a good start
still some bis loot for everyone in there
afterall it is year 5 of velious

DetoxxToday at 7:14 PM
im fine with vp rotation of am / riot / anyone else until we see who actually can kill there then we can extend the rotation

Arthion <Riot>Today at 7:14 PM
Nah, you and we don't need to rotate vp.
am/riot (1 slot) / everyone else (2nd sllot)

DetoxxToday at 7:14 PM
nah

Arthion <Riot>Today at 7:14 PM
Ok.

Here ya go

[Vianna]

Originally Posted by feniin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You give up nothing - that's not how a compromise works. You've put nothing on the table. You're betting someone else's chips.

False. But continue spinning. AM is not offering anyone's chips. They are offering something for the entire server. Riot only sees everything offered as what is being taken away from them.