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Old 09-11-2019, 05:32 PM
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Thanks brother.

If you want and are interested I have a 60 shaman with torpor. If the opportunity arises I could go to Kael arena with you to test differences on high mobs. Would plan on pulling a single higher con mob (preferably not rampage), slowing it, keeping you unbuffed minus maybe shaman haste. You beat it down to low then flop and let it regen up; rinse and repeat with option to.

The raw dps you do is not as relevant as the comparison between the two. Buffless helps to exclude other variables like epic click or avatar which may not remain up literally 100% of the time.

I predict the 2hander will actually (averaged over time) perform better against a higher level mob with higher ac.

If you’re willing, I can shaman for you.
PM'd I have a couple hours tonight we can do some parses.
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Old 09-11-2019, 05:40 PM
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Ok i did some testing on 1hb, sorry i lost some buffs mid test, but heres my overall on Bloodmaw, considering hes green low AC doubt we hit that on raid mobs or high AC:

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(also note everytime BoF is Main Hand parse read 7 attempts in the same sec due to fast weap and triple atk)

Fist of Nature + Gharns 148.6 DPS
 
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Gharns + Fist of Nature 148.4 DPS
 
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Baton of Flame + Gharns 139.4 DPS
 
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Fist of Nature + Baton of Flame 138.1 DPS
 
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Baton of Flame + Fist of Nature 134.3 DPS
 
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Gharns + Baton of Flame 124.7 DPS (Bad Lucky? Lost atk buff mid fight)
 
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Blam + Gharns 122.6 DPS (Im not sure what to say, also had to cut early he ran)
 
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Old 09-11-2019, 06:04 PM
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PM'd I have a couple hours tonight we can do some parses.
Ditto, we could wombo combo, I suggest jugs in seb
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Old 09-11-2019, 06:06 PM
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I could bring a cleric later for this.
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Old 09-11-2019, 06:48 PM
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PM'd I have a couple hours tonight we can do some parses.
Moving my shaman Jolav to Kael now; will park him at 4way

for High ac parses i really do recommend kael. AC there is HIGH but more importantly mobs have insane regen. This allows you to get parse data on the exact same mob by letting it regen.
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Old 09-11-2019, 11:40 PM
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Data from tonight's Drioc session. When taking out proc damage the 2h performed slightly better. Starting to think that the difference between 1h and 2h are not hugely significant anymore.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing

Thanks Troxx for the session and helping reduce the variables.
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Old 09-12-2019, 09:58 AM
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Absolutely man, it was enlightening.

Our methds:
-we pulled Drioc to 4-way and kept him malo’d and slowed.
-Torpor was only used on Jolav.
-All heals on Chillwin were direct blast heals to ensure the slow component from Torp didn’t taint the numbers
-buffs on chillwin were only focus stam regen dain ring and 50% shaman haste
-no avatar or monk epic click as the possibility keeping of not these up would could taint the numbers
-the goal was slow control with all variables identical except weapons equipped
-chillwin always attacked from the front even when I was getting beat on
-chillwin would attack until 25 then flop and let mob regen up

We managed 4 runs with 15/18 and 13/17 and a few more than that with 2hand.

As posted, Abashi was 2.5% more dps when procs are excluded (160dd root proc won’t work on most all raid targets). With procs and buffs as is on this mob DW was 4.84% better. As Chillwin had 255 dex, full buffs with call of predator, VoG, avatar, Str of Nature, epic click (full on melee buffs), Abashi would have pulled ahead of DW with procs by a marginal amount. The proc dps would not be influences by further buffs, only the shite damage.

As chillwin points out, they’re more or less interchangeable. This has held true for both high ac and low ac.

For anyone interested in Parsing; use Kael. The fast regen on these mobs ensures you can use the same mob over and over again to make sure no variables change except that which you want to investigate.
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Old 09-12-2019, 10:07 AM
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Edit: nevermind I was mistaken disregard this post
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Old 09-12-2019, 10:17 AM
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Remember, more ATK/less AC helps 1H now. It's always nice to get empirical confirmation, but it looks like my calculator was spot on: Abashi's will have the edge while raiding, and the various 1H combos will have the edge for XP. But we can definitely agree that it will be close. Of course the best is to have both, but I don't have that kind of DKP!
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Old 09-12-2019, 12:01 PM
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Great job troxx!!!

Have you done the same parses with epic/SoS vs. TStaff yet? I would love to see the same parses with a warrior too if you had them.

I love the way you tackle these things like a real scientist!
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