"We've weighed our options and...all we really lose is one Warrior" -Riot 2020

[Dogma]

Originally Posted by voydent [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

- Solution? (1) harsher (much harsher) punishments for repeated offenders, (2) raid loot deletion

Personal favorite option of mine being GM deletion of loot in the offense.

Win 1 concede 2 is always an option Freedom (and predecessors) will take. Does nothing to change their behavior or make them work out the problem with others.

Suggesting deletion of loot becomes included as part of the accepted standard.

[Naonak]

Win 1, concede 2 needs to change to include loot deletion or go to concede 4.

But still, winning and then having to concede with keeping loot is far better than never winning by following the play nice policy.

Guess we need GM's to make decisions, not friends.

[Vianna]

Originally Posted by voydent [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

thanks for the SS of the current petition status. hope people can see what i see:


- Look at the Who column

- now ask yourself, why is "F" in almost every single line as the accused party (right side of the 'versus')

- the reason that people want to believe is because Riot is a 'lawyerquest' guild, they can only win by petitioning etc. but this statement is only true if most of the petitions results are "no violation". as of today, out of 6 petitions against F, only 2 were 'no violation' while 4 were either suspended (guilty), or dropped (conceded). so the petitions raised were indeed justifiable as F was indeed guilty the majority (4 out of 6) of the times

- this may get worse when you consider the current pending petitions. Kittens v F for LTK was particularly nasty as F trained and wiped Kittens at LTK, left without helping them do CR to kill Yelinak, and went to POG to kill Tunare which was only possible because Riot left POG to help Kittens do CR. F offered to concede future LTKs (which would have been a relatively small concession to make given what they accomplished that day). Kittens justifiably said no and wanted tougher penalty

- F continues to push the limits and tries to get away with things. if they commit a foul but no one has fraps, they WILL get away with it. (the first question their leaders will ask is "do you have fraps?")

- in the meantime, the number of outstanding petitions keep piling up. part 2 of the strategy is to eventually make the GMs lose their patience and suspend-bomb all the big 3 guilds, which net net would be beneficial for F

- overtime, this strategy does pay off because F gets to keep the raid loots from those mobs that were petitioned. Loot 1 concede 2 is a viable strategy because they will occassionally get Loot 1 and get a pass (because no fraps or GMs get tired of all the bs)

- Solution? (1) harsher (much harsher) punishments for repeated offenders, (2) raid loot deletion

I just see those petitions as Riot petitioning anything they lose. Just from the outside looking in. It seems Freedom and AG only petitions real transgressions. But continue to spin it however you like it is RNF.

[Molitoth]

Originally Posted by Vianna [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I just see those petitions as Riot petitioning anything they lose. Just from the outside looking in. It seems Freedom and AG only petitions real transgressions. But continue to spin it however you like it is RNF.

Have you read through the Evidence in these cases?

[kjs86z]

go outside

[strongNpretty]

Originally Posted by kjs86z [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

go outside

[Terrok]

Originally Posted by Dogma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Personal favorite option of mine being GM deletion of loot in the offense.

Win 1 concede 2 is always an option Freedom (and predecessors) will take. Does nothing to change their behavior or make them work out the problem with others.

Suggesting deletion of loot becomes included as part of the accepted standard.

but if they get said mobs worse loot, they wont care if it is deleted. plus loot deletion only hurts the person who won the bid, not the guild as a whole. esp not guild leaders who really don't play for loot at this point. waders are dead bro

[Terrok]

Originally Posted by kjs86z [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

go outside

wait, you don't play eq from the beaches of Mexico?

[voydent]

Originally Posted by Terrok [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

but if they get said mobs worse loot, they wont care if it is deleted. plus loot deletion only hurts the person who won the bid, not the guild as a whole. esp not guild leaders who really don't play for loot at this point. waders are dead bro

No it will definitely hurt the guild. Overtime a guild that regularly commit fouls and having their loots removed will slowly lose its members

Imagine knowingly training or committing a foul and knowing you will get penalised by actually having those raid loots removed. There is no longer any reward at all for acting like a douchebag. This applies to any guild

In real life, bank robbers do not keep their golds even though they serve their 30 year sentences.

There is no longer any incentive to “just keep going and see what happens”. The current situation is this “lets just keep going, even if we get penalised we will still keep the raid loots so we keep our winnings”

That is not enough - fouls will keep piling up as guilds continue to push the limits and test GMs patience

[Bardp1999]

If GMs start deleting loot you might as well just shut the server down