Spells: Bard song and runspeed buffs stacking

[feniin]

Bard run speed, invisibility, and levitate songs always used to overwrite spells. Always thought it was weird on P99 that it didn't.

[Rygar]

Originally Posted by Pringles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you go through the patch notes in the ramp up to Luclin bards started to break very frequently. All the way to late PoP every other patch note has an amusing anecdote of something broken. Selo's and Sow/Jboots are in differing slots then and now so the behavior I'd expect would be them to stack but the highest take precedence. In January, 2003 bard songs were given there own little window to help with the clutter. Could this guy not have been getting you to free up a redundant buff slot so it would have room to stick?

While I don't doubt bards had buggy periods, I'm pretty convinced sow should block selo during our current patch on server. We have that shown in these logs after final velious patch but before Luclin, end of luclin / PoP, and now during Kunark era (or is this still vanilla EQ?):

1/18/00:

There is nothing more annoying when someone asks you to run them
somewhere, FP to HH or other, sure, I'm going that way, you then spend
5mins asking them are you encumbered? *No, do you have SoW? *Yes it RoX
makes me run fast, 'Disband' .. that's the lameness!

It was only an opinion .....

Above quote describes exactly what happened in these logs.

About 2 months ago due to the fact that if you had this on then someone used
Selo's, the SOW would be cancelled out from thereforth.

No no, I meant that the foot would stay on your screen, but from then on, it
would have no effect. *This was a horrible thing, because in places like
cazic, if the bard hit the foot on accident or something, from then on, the
puller had to get sow again yadda yadda, it was quite an annoyance. *Now the
selo's just doesnt show up on your icons if you already have SoW.

Above quotes seems to imply selo used to overwrite sow, but now sow blocks selo. Not sure if dev's would code in the overwrite for first 6 months of refresh, but seems that happened.

Can we call this case closed? Classic behavior seems determined.

[Rygar]

Originally Posted by MiRo2 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Anything cast by a bard whether it was a song, clicked effect, or proc was considered a 'song' and all songs stacked with any 'spells'. I could see run speed being the one exception to this to prevent bards from having Selo's+SoW speed.

And I don't think bard songs always stacked no matter what, but would always stack so long as there wasn't a specific rule for that song against stacking. Non song clickies the exception, it treated a spell like a song, and since spell had no song stack rule, was allowed to stack.

[kaev]

I remember the sow vs selo's conflict, but I can't for the life of me remember specificly when I learned of it or when it was changed, other than that it was pre-lucy (so prior to 2002) which does make it relevant to p99. Good luck finding the evidence.

[Rygar]

Originally Posted by kaev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I remember the sow vs selo's conflict, but I can't for the life of me remember specificly when I learned of it or when it was changed, other than that it was pre-lucy (so prior to 2002) which does make it relevant to p99. Good luck finding the evidence.

... try reading through the thread?

[kaev]

Originally Posted by Rygar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

... try reading through the thread?

looks p thin to me, glad i'm not the judge tho

[Daldaen]

SoW or JBoots should prevent Selos from landing on a person.

Selos should prevent SoW or JBoots from landing on a person.

This is classic and how it should be. You don't want to exist on an easymode server where bards can just stack two runspeed buffs and eat a dispel on one and continue running fast. That would not be fun or classic.