Alone in classic on an infinite timeline

[Maschenny]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A Shaman couldn't get a fungi, but I think they could farm an Ikky BP. They could also solo the OT golem (it would take forever without malo but I'd think eventually you'd luck out and land stuff) to eventually get Torpor. Epic would be impossible without some serious cheats/hacks, although that raises the question: what rules and/or imaginary GMs are there are on this server?

Can shamans actually solo cliff golems without torpor? If so, i would love to see it. I just can't even really imagine this being possible.

[Rygar]

I think back in the day an SK soloed his final epic fight. He basically got bound right by Lhranc and bind rushed him with HT (was more unresistable back then, not talking P99 mechanics). Was like, a ton of corpses. I don't know if this was Luclin or PoP to be fair.

I think it would be interesting to use tactics like that. I think you can definitely beat a lot of Kunark bosses. Consider that you can maybe corpse soulfires / DA idols / wort pots / Ivandyr Hoops / Bladestoppers, etc. in order to do some serious bind rush damage. Corpsing items would be interesting, because you'd lose exp doing it each time and corpse only lasts so long (probably best to do this on a classic Red server where you can take a zero exp death by drowning / falling).

It would just become about clickies, which quickly becomes lame and tiresome! Think that is why they were banned from Test of Tactics.

Kind of cool to think about though.

[enjchanter]

Originally Posted by nothsa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

enchanter might be able to solo thier epic

No way

Soloing prince would basically be impossible
With some insane luck , a soulfire and a corpse reaper or 2 .... like kinda maybe ?

InB4 god-among-men enchanter friend anecdote who solo'd AoW with 1200p in EC gear

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Maschenny [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Can shamans actually solo cliff golems without torpor? If so, i would love to see it. I just can't even really imagine this being possible.

Well, I'm operating on the assumption of infinite time, so the question isn't so much "can a Shaman do it without Malo or Torpor", it's more "if you tried a million times, would one of those attempts be super lucky and let you land everything you need to kill the golem (without Malo/Torpor)?" Because with infinite time you can take those million tries (and earn back the XP lost from each).

So like maybe normally it's impossible to root/rot the golem, but if there's even a 0.1% chance that you can land root, then in theory if you make enough attempts, you'll get an attempt where both roots and the DoTs manage to land, despite it being incredibly unlikely, and so you'd manage to kill the golem.

And if it "only" takes a million attempts to kill a single golem, then with infinite time you can totally make the thousand million attempts to get enough kills to actually loot Malo/Torpor.

Infinite time EQ is weird (but a fun thought experiment, thanks OP!)

[Foxplay]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well, I'm operating on the assumption of infinite time, so the question isn't so much "can a Shaman do it without Malo or Torpor", it's more "if you tried a million times, would one of those attempts be super lucky and let you land everything you need to kill the golem (without Malo/Torpor)?" Because with infinite time you can take those million tries (and earn back the XP lost from each).

So like maybe normally it's impossible to root/rot the golem, but if there's even a 0.1% chance that you can land root, then in theory if you make enough attempts, you'll get an attempt where both roots and the DoTs manage to land, despite it being incredibly unlikely, and so you'd manage to kill the golem.

And if it "only" takes a million attempts to kill a single golem, then with infinite time you can totally make the thousand million attempts to get enough kills to actually loot Malo/Torpor.

Infinite time EQ is weird (but a fun thought experiment, thanks OP!)

You guys are missing the easier possibility....

This person could use a Enchanter to do the early "heavy lifting" Tash, land slow, use
Astral projection as charm to solo the Golems, then ground xfer Torpor (after lots and lots of farming.... dying to charm breaks / ETC

(Tash and slow are vendor spells *Well Forlorn's isnt but its not 60 either*) And Boltran can be used to substitue for Allure until you get the proper pages

However then the question becomes.... is a non epic Torpor Shaman stronger than a well played enchanter? Probably not... they could be equal but I really don't see a Torpor shaman without epic exceeding a well played enchanter

[Quizlop]

It should be noted that a Wizard is a hard requirement to enter Planes of Hate/Sky.

As a result of this, the only epics that wouldn't be hard-locked are:

Wizard
Druid
Shaman
Bard
Cleric

Edit: I guess some others might be possible if you are able to MQ the items from your Wizard.

[Rygar]

Technically, you can get your VP key and go to zone out pad for Plane of Sky. I know that Hate eventually had the Spectre portal in oasis as an entryway, would be interesting if that were allowed to be open (considering then enchanter epic is the only epic that is not obtainable, but is one of the least useful in this scenario).

I shudder at the thought of a wizard soloing a single mob in Hate, like ever. I suppose would need to farm a puppet string / soulfire / etc, but damn, there are tons of adds there. Wizards aren't equipped for that, even with full bag of clickies.

[Foxplay]

Originally Posted by Rygar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Technically, you can get your VP key and go to zone out pad for Plane of Sky. I know that Hate eventually had the Spectre portal in oasis as an entryway, would be interesting if that were allowed to be open (considering then enchanter epic is the only epic that is not obtainable, but is one of the least useful in this scenario).

I shudder at the thought of a wizard soloing a single mob in Hate, like ever. I suppose would need to farm a puppet string / soulfire / etc, but damn, there are tons of adds there. Wizards aren't equipped for that, even with full bag of clickies.

VP key requires Trak tooth - plz explain plan for soloing Trakanon heh

[Castigate]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well, I'm operating on the assumption of infinite time, so the question isn't so much "can a Shaman do it without Malo or Torpor", it's more "if you tried a million times, would one of those attempts be super lucky and let you land everything you need to kill the golem (without Malo/Torpor)?" Because with infinite time you can take those million tries (and earn back the XP lost from each).

So like maybe normally it's impossible to root/rot the golem, but if there's even a 0.1% chance that you can land root, then in theory if you make enough attempts, you'll get an attempt where both roots and the DoTs manage to land, despite it being incredibly unlikely, and so you'd manage to kill the golem.

And if it "only" takes a million attempts to kill a single golem, then with infinite time you can totally make the thousand million attempts to get enough kills to actually loot Malo/Torpor.

Infinite time EQ is weird (but a fun thought experiment, thanks OP!)

An enchanter can fairly easily solo cliff golems with just Corundium or Tourmaline as a pet, hell even if charm breaks the golem wont interrupt your boltrans as long as its slowed, you stun the pet, and time it right. They're not fun, but over time you'll get all your Kunark spells that way.

Hell its not even that dangerous assuming you have infinite time for your Shaman to get your Enchanter a billion wort pots, and I think that's the crux of the whole thing, just how far do you want to take it? I bet a reasonably equipped Monk, or maybe Warrior would be better with extra slows from Truncheon of Doom, along with hundreds of corpsed Soulfires and even more wort pots could solo a pre-slowed, tashed, and maloed ToV cubby drake granting all your characters WToV armor.

Some raid mobs are probably even doable with enough soulfires laying around.
Sucks about Hate/Sky though

[norova]

This thread is fun. Keep it goin!