Incorrect definition of casuals

[Daldaen]

Best definition:

X or XX Hours spent per week online.

[goshozal]

Originally Posted by BlackTriad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Then what do you think about neck-beards and obama-phone carebears?

Sounds to me like those are derogatory terms that don't have much to do with the way that "casual" and "hardcore" are used in these discussions. Isn't language wonderful?

[Durka]

Originally Posted by Barkingturtle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Fantastic observation, Durka. I too have noticed how here on Project99 a great many words have their meanings perverted.

For instance, people say "competing" when they mean "compensating".

They say "dedication" when they mean "obsession".

"Effort" when they mean "rote motions".

You've really gotta pay close attention to keep pace with the evolving vernacular.

I LOL'd - because I was the 'obsession' type back in the day (hell probably even today)

[Bones]

Originally Posted by Durka [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

if you choose to play in excess it doesn't entitle you to everything. You are not more important than anyone else.

trufax

[BlackTriad]

Originally Posted by goshozal [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sounds to me like those are derogatory terms that don't have much to do with the way that "casual" and "hardcore" are used in these discussions. Isn't language wonderful?

It is when it's understood.

[goshozal]

Oh, implications are fun, too.

So tell me, BlackTriad: where exactly is the line between casual and hardcore?

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

I agree with this post. Time and technology contributes to the change. Both for more hardcore, to less hardcore.

How many people, good players, had to suffer from bad dialup back in 2000? How many had cellphones?

3-4 nights a week was hardcore. Plus I will add this observation. I seem to remember raid nights going quite long. Log in at 5est, go to 1-3am was not unusual. Log on, kill shit, log off, did not exist yet. I am sure there were technological and social reasons for that. Not least of which, how can we forget just how damn often, a server would crash, or a router would go down and you would lose all of your players from certain time zones?

In a sense, 3-4 days a week used to be more hardcore. Because those were long nights.

[Durka]

Originally Posted by Sadre Spinegnawer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I agree with this post. Time and technology contributes to the change. Both for more hardcore, to less hardcore.

How many people, good players, had to suffer from bad dialup back in 2000? How many had cellphones?

3-4 nights a week was hardcore. Plus I will add this observation. I seem to remember raid nights going quite long. Log in at 5est, go to 1-3am was not unusual. Log on, kill shit, log off, did not exist yet. I am sure there were technological and social reasons for that. Not least of which, how can we forget just how damn often, a server would crash, or a router would go down and you would lose all of your players from certain time zones?

In a sense, 3-4 days a week used to be more hardcore. Because those were long nights.

Oh wow the long nights....but I had great times!

Yes, technology and knowledge of the game itself have been the clutch on the p99 experiment. We all know how to play the game too well and we have less problems than we had back in those days. Very good observation there. Its funny, because we raided fear a few nights ago, cleared it in just under 2 hours with a small group. We use to have 30-40 in fear and cleared it in 6+ hours! Pretty amazing how things are today vs yesteryear.

[BlackTriad]

Originally Posted by goshozal [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh, implications are fun, too.

So tell me, BlackTriad: where exactly is the line between casual and hardcore?

I don't draw a line between the two as they can easily co-exist. The problems as far as this dramatic discussion are concerned is when some people who consider themselves in one faction or the other believe they deserve more than the opposition due to their own greed, lust for power, lust for bragging rights, or the lack of motivation to do what is reasonably required.

There is no need to rattle our sabers. Everyone just needs to let go of their sense of entitlement- EVERYONE. SHARE.

[Barkingturtle]

Originally Posted by goshozal [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So tell me, BlackTriad: where exactly is the line between casual and hardcore?

The line, in my opinion, is the batphone tactic.

The game should slot nicely into my free time.

It should not wake me up at night. Ever. It should not disrupt my business nor my social contracts. Ever.

Somehow, stipulating these totally reasonable conditions means I'm a socialist carebear.