most underpowered class in game?

[Dolalin]

In the vanilla era, warrior rogue and enchanter were seen as the most underpowered. Rogue especially.

That changed by velious of course.

So I think it really depends a lot on the era the server is in tbh.

[Philistine]

How are Rangers getting so many votes?!

They can: solo, sorts. Face tanking with the help of toys or fear kiting animals.

Group: I feel like this is where they shine. Awesome agro and just enough tankiness to tank, solid DPS until about 60 when triple attack and raid weapons leave them behind, snare + root for CC of non-caster and caster mobs alike, spot heals in emergencies, awesome pullers, especially (but not limited to) outdoors.

Raid: OK dps, COTP, SON, COE buffs, and the ability to keep a mob/boss from murdering a ton of DPS if the MT goes down.

Rangers are an awesome class IMHO, and far far away from underpowered

[bomaroast]

Only a ranger would say that rangers have "just enough tankiness to tank." Unfortunately they don't, and anyone who plays a healer can attest to it. Healing a ranger is about like healing a shaman with regards to tankiness.

[Philistine]

Originally Posted by bomaroast [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Only a ranger would say that rangers have "just enough tankiness to tank." Unfortunately they don't, and anyone who plays a healer can attest to it. Healing a ranger is about like healing a shaman.

You have correctly identified me as a ranger, lol.

I tanked all the waytill 60 though, so I'm going to trust my own experience [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[PlsNoBan]

Originally Posted by bomaroast [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Only a ranger would say that rangers have "just enough tankiness to tank." Unfortunately they don't, and anyone who plays a healer can attest to it. Healing a ranger is about like healing a shaman with regards to tankiness.

I've healed ranger tanks plenty of times and I disagree. They tank just fine in groups. I spend waaaaaaaaaaaaaay more mana with warrior tanks that can't hold aggro for shit trying to heal 4 people all the time vs just keeping the ranger (that never loses aggro) up. It's not even close.

[Danth]

Warrior has a special form of weakness all its own: It's the only class in the game that can't perform its primary function without either outside assistance or via the unintended abuse of click items. As a rule a warrior can only tank if someone else lets it. I don't necessarily call it the weakest class overall, but I do call it badly designed.

Indeed, if the stories that physical stun was supposed to generate hate akin to spell stun but didn't due to glitch are true, then the version of the warrior we have on P99 wasn't intended to exist at all. I believe it because of how its an outlier as described above; all other characters are self-contained.

Danth

[Keza]

Originally Posted by Philistine [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You have correctly identified me as a ranger, lol.

I tanked all the waytill 60 though, so I'm going to trust my own experience [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Originally Posted by PlsNoBan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've healed ranger tanks plenty of times and I disagree. They tank just fine in groups. I spend waaaaaaaaaaaaaay more mana with warrior tanks that can't hold aggro for shit trying to heal 4 people all the time vs just keeping the ranger (that never loses aggro) up. It's not even close.

Both of these comments derive from experience, but both are specifically about XPquest. Warriors don't thrive in the grindvironment. Everyone knows that.

The question - even though I love rangers - is where do they thrive?

[PatChapp]

Originally Posted by Dolalin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In the vanilla era, warrior rogue and enchanter were seen as the most underpowered. Rogue especially.

That changed by velious of course.

So I think it really depends a lot on the era the server is in tbh.

I don't know who you were comparing to but enchanters were just as overpowered in classic as they are in kunark and velious.
They can solo any named mob non raid mob in kedge/sol b/guk
Only necros even come close.

Warriors and rogues are pretty weak in classic

[PlsNoBan]

Originally Posted by Keza [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Both of these comments derive from experience, but both are specifically about XPquest. Warriors don't thrive in the grindvironment. Everyone knows that.

The question - even though I love rangers - is where do they thrive?

Everyone also knows 1-60 leveling is really the only good part of P99. Nobody in their right mind raids here for any extended period of time. The "XPquest" and "grindvironment" are the meat and potatoes here. They kind of always have been.

[socialist]

Originally Posted by bomaroast [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Only a ranger would say that rangers have "just enough tankiness to tank." Unfortunately they don't, and anyone who plays a healer can attest to it. Healing a ranger is about like healing a shaman with regards to tankiness.

Rangers tank just fine for anything short of the very hardest one-group content. In fact, for the pre-Kunark era, rangers actually have the same defense skill as the other tank classes and higher dodge/parry than knights. Nobody really struggles with anything pre-55ish so having a ranger tank is good because they have respectable DPS, impeccable aggro, bring snare themselves, and can switch to the DPS role if another tank joins. I wouldn't be thrilled to have a ranger tank for something like juggs in Seb, but anything less than that, I'm perfectly pleased because they can do it just fine and are much more flexible than, say, a paladin.