Give the people what they want! Luclin!

[Keza]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

None of those zones are anywhere analogous to PC. PC you can basically PL yourself to like level 20; it's the antithesis of EQ. Sure, you can get PLed through those levels elsewhere, but you have to get someone to do it; you have to interact with people.

Bazaar is shitty because progression in EQ is usually about sacrificing progression in some other aspect of the game (at least pre-60). Sure, there are some camps that are good for XP and plat at the same time, but not a massive amount. So you want to sell that loot you have for max value? Then go sit there and auction it; or if you don't want to spend much time selling then sell it as a discount and get out of there as quick as you can and get back to XPing. I liked that a lot of the time classic EQ required you to make choices about what you wanted to prioritize in the game that day. The other thing I didn't like about the Bazaar was the removal of player created auction hubs; it was awesome how people on different servers just organically created a hub (commonly EC, but sometimes GFay, NFP, etc.). I like that sort of world shaping choice being made by players, not designers who decided "here's a centralized auction zone for everyone that can be reached super easily with little effort by the player."

PoK was one of the worst things to happen to the game (I think the Nexus was terrible also, despite it still requiring a dru/wiz to quickly access). One of the things that makes classic EQ feel more immersive is the feeling of the world being large. The smaller you make the world feel via PoK and the Nexus, the less fun and immersive the world becomes.

You make it sound like it's simple to PL yourself to 20. Maybe it is depending on perspective. I PL'd my own Ench to 16 with DF belts; years prior to SoL mind you. Slight different though when you don't need another human. I was PL'd in PC many times on live, which I didn't do it by myself. PC is bullshit because of poor balance in regards to classes that can PL being OP at PL'ing, not explicitly because PC itself is bullshit. Two different things, and I'm not against un-classic changes. That said, the Nexus was actually a boon for Dru/Wiz as it gave them a purpose otherwsie unneeded. You needed to visit the spires to go to Nexus. When PoK came along that purpose was removed because every other zone had a book.

The argument about Bazaar is equivalent to spending time doing nothing. Is it a good thing that you have to spend your actual life auctioning your gear in a fictional game? No. I don't think so. Is it meaningful to spend your time spamming shift+^? Not really, but The Bazaar, while not social, offers you the opportunity to not waste your actual real-life life in which you will die and that will be the end. I love the EC tunnel as much as anybody, despite it effectively being EQ's asshole. I love the social aspect of MMOs. I love democracy. /lightsaber. But there's a realistic limit in which you can expect someone to waste their time. Why do they need to be sitting at the keyboard in order to make a sale? Sales aside, why should your consumers be terrified of trainers pulling air elementals, griffons or Snape himelf to the tunnel? It's pretty to look at objectively, but ugly to look at subjectively.

I like MMOs being social experiences, and by that definition I technically hate the Bazaar, but I'm also incredibly drunk during both of these responses and can't find a reason for why "classic" mechanics can't be slightly changed to benefit everyone. I reread this once or twice but so drunk. Gave up. Sorry.

[ThonDaMan]

You've ruined your own MMO's, you'll not ruin mine!

[ya.dingus]

I didnt like luclin +. Only cool thing was beastlord. However, if you want to play luclin, why not play a TLP server that's locked at luclin?

[khandman]

Luclin was like the 1969 moon landings.

Went there. Tried it. Was novel for a short while. Never went back again.

[Trexller]

Originally Posted by Ankara99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The people demand justice, they demand the Snake Temple and Fungus grove.

https://www.takproject.net/forums/index.php

remember raiding in PoP? its the best raiding experience second only to kunark.

its up and running, the MGBs fall like rain in PoK, and the serverwide channel is always inundated with "Free "X"item at small bank, or, "Item "Y" rotting in umbral plains, 27 min on corpse"

You will also find single boxers LFG on the regular, start your own PUGs, make some cool friends, and make Aten Ha Ra wish she never listened to that bitch of a sorceress, Luclin.

[Worry]

Originally Posted by Trexller [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

https://www.takproject.net/forums/index.php

remember raiding in PoP? its the best raiding experience second only to kunark.

its up and running, the MGBs fall like rain in PoK, and the serverwide channel is always inundated with "Free "X"item at small bank, or, "Item "Y" rotting in umbral plains, 27 min on corpse"

You will also find single boxers LFG on the regular, start your own PUGs, make some cool friends, and make Aten Ha Ra wish she never listened to that bitch of a sorceress, Luclin.

I'd play TAKP if I didn't have to get another client of EQ. Fuck all that noise.

But I heard it's a pretty solid server now.

[Faxi]

P99 should end in Planes of Power. PoP is the logical end of Classic EQ. this is a fact. fact lore wise, fact gameplay wise. Stopping in Velious is poop.

[Jimjam]

Stopping in Velious makes sense. Wake the sleeper and he goes on a murderous rampage, getting revenge on his captors then forming an army to bring an apocalyptic tyranny to Norrath.

[Daffan]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

None of those zones are anywhere analogous to PC. PC you can basically PL yourself to like level 20; it's the antithesis of EQ. Sure, you can get PLed through those levels elsewhere, but you have to get someone to do it; you have to interact with people.

Bazaar is shitty because progression in EQ is usually about sacrificing progression in some other aspect of the game (at least pre-60). Sure, there are some camps that are good for XP and plat at the same time, but not a massive amount. So you want to sell that loot you have for max value? Then go sit there and auction it; or if you don't want to spend much time selling then sell it as a discount and get out of there as quick as you can and get back to XPing. I liked that a lot of the time classic EQ required you to make choices about what you wanted to prioritize in the game that day. The other thing I didn't like about the Bazaar was the removal of player created auction hubs; it was awesome how people on different servers just organically created a hub (commonly EC, but sometimes GFay, NFP, etc.). I like that sort of world shaping choice being made by players, not designers who decided "here's a centralized auction zone for everyone that can be reached super easily with little effort by the player."

PoK was one of the worst things to happen to the game (I think the Nexus was terrible also). One of the things that makes classic EQ feel more immersive is the feeling of the world being large. The smaller you make the world feel via PoK and the Nexus, the less fun and immersive the world becomes.

There is a simple solution to your PoK problem.

Custom Fixes.

But, instead of having the ultimate EQ+ experience (not implying PoP is btw, more a generic statement) that is possible, instead play an attempted 1:1 re-creation for sake of "nostalgia" or purity whatever that isn't even true in 2022 anyway.