Casual TLP

[tadkins]

Originally Posted by MrSparkle001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So live has no more corpse runs? Do you respawn with all your gear?

Sounds like modern EQ has fixed a lot of the problems classic EQ had.

Yup for sure. Not everyone has an army of clerics and necros at their beck and call.

[MrSparkle001]

So I'm looking through things on live Everquest in my downtime here at the office, and I'm seeing Daybreak Cash and Kronos.

I don't mind games with microtransactions as that's just how things are today, but how important are they to the game? Some games go out of their way to hinder you if you don't purchase microtransactions, while others are mostly for cosmetics and maybe expanded inventory slots or something (Elder Scrolls Online and Path Of Exile shops are mostly cosmetics and things like inventory slots).

I'm really considering checking out the live version of the game. Project 1999 is fun and all but I'm not a poopsocker. I can play maybe an hour or two a day during the week and not much on weekends if at all, so I don't get very far lol.

[roadbike]

Originally Posted by MrSparkle001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So I'm looking through things on live Everquest in my downtime here at the office, and I'm seeing Daybreak Cash and Kronos.

I don't mind games with microtransactions as that's just how things are today, but how important are they to the game? Some games go out of their way to hinder you if you don't purchase microtransactions, while others are mostly for cosmetics and maybe expanded inventory slots or something (Elder Scrolls Online and Path Of Exile shops are mostly cosmetics and things like inventory slots).

I'm really considering checking out the live version of the game. Project 1999 is fun and all but I'm not a poopsocker. I can play maybe an hour or two a day during the week and not much on weekends if at all, so I don't get very far lol.

You don't need to buy anything. You get 500 points a month for free. Keep that free 500 a month til Luclin or whenever the worg mounts come out in the shop and buy one of those (they give an hp / mana buff) with your free points. All you need.

[PlsNoBan]

Contrary to popular meme beliefs around here. You really don't need to spend anything to enjoy live/TLP's. All you really need is a sub. If you don't have any krono on your account you'll need to pay for the first month. After that it's pretty easy to earn enough pp/krono in game to keep your sub going for free indefinitely.

You can splurge for things like cosmetics and more controversial things like large weight reduction bags and xp pots but they certainly aren't required. Anyone who tells you otherwise is trolling.

[MrSparkle001]

Originally Posted by roadbike [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You don't need to buy anything. You get 500 points a month for free. Keep that free 500 a month til Luclin or whenever the worg mounts come out in the shop and buy one of those (they give an hp / mana buff) with your free points. All you need.

See that's the kind of thing I need to know. You buy mounts with the Daybreak Cash?

I'm not seeing a shop on the website listing everything you can buy with it. That's only something you can see in game?

[Kurtanius21]

TLP appeals to me because of the mass chaos of lowbies storming the newbie zones. I have never witnessed such an event ever in my life. I was late to EQ, WoW, and GW2. The fun of exploring a new world with fellow twinkless people has a competitive draw to it that explored games do not. But I realize that I do not have the time or physical endurance to fully enjoy TLP Servers. I would soon be left in the wake of power gamers, and then the server will eventually become what every server has become, top heavy, abandoned newbie zones, and lonely for a casual player like myself.

I will likely just stay on green even when Yelinak releases, because I don't even like the newer expansions, so why pour my time into something I will eventually dislike anyways? TLP has a certain appeal to some gamers, but realistically, it is not me.

[Gustoo]

A new server is coming from p99 team eventually. So you’ll get to do it.

It will be fun

[tadkins]

Originally Posted by Kurtanius21 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

TLP appeals to me because of the mass chaos of lowbies storming the newbie zones. I have never witnessed such an event ever in my life. I was late to EQ, WoW, and GW2. The fun of exploring a new world with fellow twinkless people has a competitive draw to it that explored games do not. But I realize that I do not have the time or physical endurance to fully enjoy TLP Servers. I would soon be left in the wake of power gamers, and then the server will eventually become what every server has become, top heavy, abandoned newbie zones, and lonely for a casual player like myself.

I will likely just stay on green even when Yelinak releases, because I don't even like the newer expansions, so why pour my time into something I will eventually dislike anyways? TLP has a certain appeal to some gamers, but realistically, it is not me.

To be fair it's basically the same on P99. The powergamers push ahead, form their guilds and basically take over the server. You've probably got the newbie zones a little more populated on P99 but that's partly because if you have aspirations to do anything higher than a derv camp, everyone just wants to tear your throat out here.

TLPs are appealing to me precisely because as a non-competitive player, I can join a smaller guild and not get stomped out by bigger guilds on this server. Meanwhile here, if FoW, Kingdom or Seal Team want a camp or raid you're trying to do...good luck stopping them.

If the knowledge that you'll eventually be going to the moon is a turnoff though that is understandable too I suppose. Personally I didn't hate Luclin but I know many did.

But yup the newbie rush on May 25th is gonna be fun, looking forward to that one.

Originally Posted by Gustoo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A new server is coming from p99 team eventually. So you’ll get to do it.

It will be fun

I just hope it'll be different, with some new rules going forward to prevent basically one guild from taking over a server. Something everyone can enjoy. Call it the "Yellow" server if you have to, I wouldn't care.

[socialist]

Originally Posted by MrSparkle001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So I'm looking through things on live Everquest in my downtime here at the office, and I'm seeing Daybreak Cash and Kronos.

I don't mind games with microtransactions as that's just how things are today, but how important are they to the game? Some games go out of their way to hinder you if you don't purchase microtransactions, while others are mostly for cosmetics and maybe expanded inventory slots or something (Elder Scrolls Online and Path Of Exile shops are mostly cosmetics and things like inventory slots).

I'm really considering checking out the live version of the game. Project 1999 is fun and all but I'm not a poopsocker. I can play maybe an hour or two a day during the week and not much on weekends if at all, so I don't get very far lol.

For the most part, there isn't any true P2W on TLPs. You can definitely buy a lot of convenience, though. What you can't generally buy is something better than what can be obtained through playing the game (with the exception of 40-slot 100% bags.) Most of it is cosmetics and some consumables that are worse than (and don't stack with) conventional buffs. It's just that having a clarity potion running 24/7 is way more convenient than having to go get KEI cast on you every two hours. And there are of course XP potions, but at the end of the day, XP is just XP. Everyone can level just fine without one.

But where the RMT really stands out is kronos. It has become the main currency of the game. You can buy them from players for plat so it's not as if you're locked out of the economy just because you don't buy kronos from Daybreak, but you will definitely be expected to use kronos to buy anything remotely expensive. Or at least abide by the fluctuations of the krono exchange rate. And since you can buy unlimited kronos from Daybreak, people willing to spend RL cash get to have all the tradeable stuff they want while those trying to play without RMT will find that the prices are prohibitively high because some are able to throw $100 at an item.

Like when Kunark launches on a server, the first many fungi tunics are all basically reserved for rich idiots willing to spend bizarre amounts just to have a fungi tunic early, so when it comes to high-demand items, a "legit" player is sidelined until all the sons of oligarchs have had theirs first. There will be things that a regular player can't buy until a good while into an expansion because things will be too expensive until the demand of the whales is met across the server. For instance, elemental bows start out costing obscene amounts when PoP launches, and then the price drops off a cliff the moment there are no more trust fund kids who need one. But this can take a few weeks.

You can play TLPs for free, however, by farming stuff and selling them for kronos and trading these in for game time. It's just that if you do this, on top of not buying any to supplement your in-game finances, you will have very little spending power in-game and would struggle to buy anything expensive unless you're a farming god.

[socialist]

Originally Posted by PlsNoBan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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Hope that helps. Doesn't matter how vocal the minority is. Daybreak is a company that is concerned with little else but making profit (as most are) and the numbers don't lie. The numbers prove time and time again how unpopular EQ PvP servers are. If there was actually an enormous group of people clamoring for EQ PvP you can bet your ass Daybreak would want to cash in on it.

Everquest PvP can be popular. How many years did VZ/TZ maintain hundreds of players? Red99 fucked itself in the ass by inventing a broken custom resist system that ruined PvP, and by launching with no rule enforcement whatsoever, allowing certain idiots to just continuously train people until they quit.

Besides, if you scaled P99's total population up to the level that retail EQ has, red99's population would scale into the hundreds just on a mathematical basis. On a project where the busiest server peaks at, what is it now, 7-800? And red peaks somewhere around 50, you can imagine that a retail PvP TLP would be comparatively higher. There's tens of thousands of people playing retail EQ.

Most importantly, the TLPs actually have a number of features that would make PvP easier to stomach for the less hardcore player. There are no corpse runs, there are zone picks and instanced raiding, there's boxing so you can port yourself around, and there's the option to spend $$ on items so you can actually obtain a Tranix crown or whatever without playing 16h/day.

Red99 failed because that specific server was bad and mismanaged. In no way is it evidence that an EQ PvP server cannot succeed. If they launched a PvP TLP, I guarantee that the sheer novelty and uniqueness of it would make it highly popular at least until the end of PoP. How could it possibly not maintain at least a few hundred players, which is more than enough. It would literally be the only place in the world to enjoy EQ PvP to any meaningful extent.