Enchanters ruined this game for me.

[magnetaress]

Sorry you don't have fungi tunic and iksar regen plus a 40 damage weapon fist.

[Twochain]

Originally Posted by goblinmob [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

here's the TLDR:

I feel the same way, it doesn't feel like the EverQuest I knew.

Vanilla WoW suffers from the same problem. I try to tell my younger friends who aren't old enough to have played OG WoW that back in the day, the majority of people didn't min/max. Dual Wield tanking was unheard of. Warlocks had to deal low damage because they didn't have any way of dropping aggro (dual wield tanking solved this problem in classic launch).

No one cared if you were a Retribution Paladin. To be honest I didn't even know that Paladins were viable healers when WoW launched. Most Druids played cats or moonkins. But when Classic launched, only a handful of classes and specs are considered viable. To pretend like this wasn't always the case is a lie.

Feels the same with EverQuest. I wasn't used to having an enchanter CC everything during pulls, I remember our Druids regularly kiting the mobs around and rooting them and that was just the norm. Now people act like the game is unplayable without Mesmerize and Clarity, and in reality, that's not true.

The charm thing is even crazier. I remember my groups banning Enchanters from having pets in our group because it was simply too dangerous and unreliable; I remember a group in Karnor's Castle where our Enchanter had a pet anyways, a Drolvarg, and while the tank was busy pulling, the charm broke and the Drolvarg basically killed the entire group (except me, because I'm a little weasel who isntantly took off running).

Another thing that no one ever talks about is that the way Enchanters work on P99 is arguably different than the way they worked on regular EverQuest. This is still seen on the TLP's that launch today. On the official servers, all Enchanters build intelligence over Charisma. You can google this, but I'm sure a lot of you already know this. On P99 they build Charisma over Intelligence. So it's quite literally a completely different system.

Now I'm not saying Enchanters weren't known to be powerful while I played 20 something years ago. But I remember the first time I realized it, I had actually been playing for years, and was fairly high level. It was during a Plane of Hate raid where we should have wiped, and I was confused when we didn't, and realized that a single Enchanter easily kept us from dying by CC'ing the adds.

I do remember when PoP came out, I would beg random Enchanters for KEI and Speed of Shissar, so yeah, they were good. But this idea that Enchanter-quest was the norm is far fetched. I remember more Druids using charm successfully than Enchanters, and that's just a fact.

I forgot you can't edit posts, but one of the things that always cracks me up is when people simply disregard players as being unskilled back in the day, and that's not the case at all. I remember EverQuest being extremely cutthroat, people were super motivated to play, these were young teenage boys who poured every ounce of energy into the game. People used to invite me to their groups because I was such an aggressive puller and would actually go KS groups who stole my pulls because I was a Rogue and Rogues could do that.

To me the average person back in the day was way more skilled than what I see now. Half of the P99 population is AFK and it triggers me. It doesn't matter if they are solo'ing, or in a group, they're literally not even paying attention to the game for the most part. I didn't mind it as much as a Cleric, but when I played a Shadow Knight on P99 it drove me mad, I'm literally doing all of the pulling, and tanking. I'm constantly OOM because I don't even have time to meditate, and then I get back to my group and I proceed to sit there getting my ass beat because my group is AFK and not even there to help me kill the mob.

Like this is not a skilled community compared to what we saw back in the day. Maybe more knowledgeable (having access to Google / P99 Wiki basically makes anyone knowledgeable), but I feel like the game was way more competitive back in the day. I remember blacklisting players for not being skilled enough back in the day.

I caved and skimmed this.

Good enchanters on live were able to charm reliably. I've talked to many enchanter who played in the 2000-2001 era and raided at the time. If you you had your stuns up you could charm great. The problem with enchanters back then was that everybody was bad. People were also 90x more cautious on live than they are here. A corpse run could mean 5 hours of your life, or worse, corpse rot with no summons.

[unsunghero]

Originally Posted by magnetaress [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sorry you don't have fungi tunic and iksar regen plus a 40 damage weapon fist.

See, when you compare to best in slot geared twinks we’re probably like only the 4th best solo’ers

If anything we could use some help, like ports. Fuck wizards

[Twochain]

Originally Posted by unsunghero [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

See, when you compare to best in slot geared twinks we’re probably like only the 4th best solo’ers

If anything we could use some help, like ports. Fuck wizards

Dude when you could put SS gear on toons at level 1, Druid was probably the #1 twink no joke lmao. Those clickies are insane at low levels

I bring up a fungi iksar twink because that's what stage both servers are in lmao. Classic, enchanters are better 1-20, 20-30 monk probably wins no items and no breeze is very sketch at lower levels. Once your pets stop being able to 1v1 blues, things get a little weird, and then enchanters 30-50 are better.

In Kunark, an iksar monk non twinked is probably equal to a non twinked enchanter at least 1-30 or 1-40. Because even a non twinked iksar monk pretty much has a WU's quivering staff you know? And just that definitely beats enchanter 1-29.

Stop being complainers. Enjoy what we have. Wizards are the most OP class in the game right now and nobody complains about that

shut up

shut the fuck up

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[Twochain]

Originally Posted by Twochain [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Dude when you could put SS gear on toons at level 1, Druid was probably the #1 twink no joke lmao. Those clickies are insane at low levels

I bring up a fungi iksar twink because that's what stage both servers are in lmao. Classic, enchanters are better 1-20, 20-30 monk probably wins no items and no breeze is very sketch at lower levels. Once your pets stop being able to 1v1 blues, things get a little weird, and then enchanters 30-50 are better.

In Kunark, an iksar monk non twinked is probably equal to a non twinked enchanter at least 1-30 or 1-40. Because even a non twinked iksar monk pretty much has a WU's quivering staff you know? And just that definitely beats enchanter 1-29.

Stop being complainers. Enjoy what we have. Wizards are the most OP class in the game right now and nobody complains about that

shut up

shut the fuck up

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Not you stfu the people who complain about enchanters... for clarity on the situation

hehe get it

[unsunghero]

Originally Posted by Twochain [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Dude when you could put SS gear on toons at level 1, Druid was probably the #1 twink no joke lmao. Those clickies are insane at low levels

I bring up a fungi iksar twink because that's what stage both servers are in lmao. Classic, enchanters are better 1-20, 20-30 monk probably wins no items and no breeze is very sketch at lower levels. Once your pets stop being able to 1v1 blues, things get a little weird, and then enchanters 30-50 are better.

In Kunark, an iksar monk non twinked is probably equal to a non twinked enchanter at least 1-30 or 1-40. Because even a non twinked iksar monk pretty much has a WU's quivering staff you know? And just that definitely beats enchanter 1-29.

Stop being complainers. Enjoy what we have. Wizards are the most OP class in the game right now and nobody complains about that

shut up

shut the fuck up

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Yea the fastest way to level would be like charming something high level, give it haste, break charm, root it, then run a bunch of lower level charmed mobs into it spamming /pet sit and pray root holds

Is that what most people are picturing for enchanters leveling? That wasn’t how I leveled as a casual scrub. It’s difficult to set that situation up and maintain it mana-wise when lower levels. I don’t think that’s how most casuals level enchanter, esp if it’s a first char. I charm soloed all the way to current lv 56, reverse charming but it didn’t feel faster than a twink melee/hybrid mowing everything down

[goblinmob]

Originally Posted by magnetaress [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I agree with goblinmob and wokecat.

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[Ghost of Starman]

I don't think it's just the fact that these games are completely documented and the optimal min-max solutions well known, people have changed over the last 20 years as well.

Attention spans have been wrecked by social media / smart phones / Tiktok. People don't form long term bonds with others nearly as often, both in games and in real life. Most people don't want an adventure, they want to follow the premapped treadmill of optimization. We're also much older now with kids and jobs, so having less times drives the desire to optimize the time available.

Like the famous saying, "you can't go home again".

[magnetaress]

[Valakut]

Originally Posted by PatChapp [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sure is a lot of words there, who the heck gonna read that

those of us who have diplomas or geds