Raid Scene - A RnF Repost

[Erati]

I figured this post should get some real discussion however no one has that rare Raid Discussion Forum access, sooo what better place than RnF to discuss things!

'Raid Scene' by Getsome
I believe the P99 raiding community needs to remove all the complicated raid rules, which are mostly reactionary rules to situations certain GM's decided to deal with. A significant portion of "current raid rules" are not even posted on the forums, as they were only communicated by GM's to perhaps 3-4 guild leaders after in-game incidents. This has always led to confusion to any up and coming guilds who may accidentally "break" an "unwritten rule". A significant portion of the rules are also antiquated agreements between raiding guilds. These agreements, while they worked for the guilds in question at the time, were rubber stamped as "P99 Raid Rules" for every other guild.

The GM's have historically involved themselves in raid disputes on this server beyond anything I have ever experienced in any other EQ server I have played on (quite a few). One particular issue I have had is GM's inserting themselves as enforcers of player made agreements, this is overbearing and overreaching and beyond the scope of what a GM should involve themselves in.

I have raided on Daybreak Games TLP servers and EQMac servers, while also raiding on P99 for the past 8-9 years. The open world raid scene on the TLP server sorts itself out, with the only major difference being the TLP servers have a raid window which attributes the most damage done on a fight to one raid for the purpose of loot. I have never interacted with a GM or needed to on the TLP servers while actively leading top open world and instance raiding guilds.

I suggest removing CSR from the P99 raid scene. CSR has plenty to do outside the raid scene and that is actually where the P99 server shines. All the non raid activities and leveling on P99 is much better than the TLP servers I have recently played on.

I have directly worked with the vast majority of the guilds on this server and during periods of past turmoil in the raid scene we were able to come to an agreement on how to coexist, without the need for GM involvement. Let the era of racing, two trackers, no coth, no exping in seb past entrance while going for Trakanon, be a thing of the past.

It is time to let the community decide on the fate of how the raid scene looks moving forward.

Thoughts?

[Oleris]

I didn't get to play during the no CSR period in VP, but I can't imagine how crazy TOV would be with no rules.

[Swish2]

This is from Getsome, the cleric who.. once he got his cleric epic from ezmode Ragefire demanded the window should be extended to once a week. (Yes I know this is going back years now)

Classic case of double standards from someone who wants the rules changed to their own benefit.

Turn on PvP in raid zones if you want "no CSR", don't half arse it with legal trains.

[beargryllz]

Full PVP

If you die on P99, you die in real life

Also, Arena is the only map allowed on P99

[getsome]

Originally Posted by Swish2 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is from Getsome, the cleric who.. once he got his cleric epic from ezmode Ragefire demanded the window should be extended to once a week. (Yes I know this is going back years now)

Classic case of double standards from someone who wants the rules changed to their own benefit.

Turn on PvP in raid zones if you want "no CSR", don't half arse it with legal trains.

I got mine from the First RF, not ezmode, and the current RF is not classic.

[Mead]

Originally Posted by Swish2 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is from Getsome, the cleric who.. once he got his cleric epic from ezmode Ragefire demanded the window should be extended to once a week. (Yes I know this is going back years now)

Classic case of double standards from someone who wants the rules changed to their own benefit.

Turn on PvP in raid zones if you want "no CSR", don't half arse it with legal trains.

You don't know much about Getsome then. He has obtained and aided in more epics than anyone I know across multiple servers. The last thing I would call him is self-interested or selfish.

[Swish2]

Originally Posted by getsome [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I got mine from the First RF, not ezmode, and the current RF is not classic.

You've had 8 years to put a bug report in, what stopped you?

[Erati]

Raid scene needs BDA reinstated with full access to ToV so they can catch up and be competitive

Cmon Chest, return to your homeland!

[Nexii]

No training should be a rule. Probably don't need much else. Training will probably be less common if guilds can just camp on the damn bosses.

[America]

Originally Posted by Nexii [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No training should be a rule. Probably don't need much else.