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Old 11-22-2022, 08:21 AM
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Unsure whether the kick/stun portion of the original thread (below) is still possible in game, however Pain and Suffering does attempt to punch, hit, etc. when it should only strike.
Original thread: https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...d.php?t=384409


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[Sat Jul 03 16:26:41 2021] Pain and suffering punches YOU for 100 points of damage.
[Sat Jul 03 16:26:42 2021] Abrile regards you indifferently -- looks like quite a gamble.
[Sat Jul 03 16:26:43 2021] You receive 19 gold, 9 silver and 13 copper from the corpse.

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Submited by: Dewar On: 4/25/2000 2:10:53 PM Rank: worst 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 best
I found this odd:

Everytime that happens, it says "Pain and Suffering tries to strike YOU, but misses!" and then you IMMEDIATELY die. Apparently it misses hard enough to do damage anyway.

Has anyone else had this happen? When you zone into some place, before it even says "You have entered (whatever zone)" it will say "You try to strike (someone or something), but miss! (Thing from last line) died." Once, with my magician Jortem at level 12, I zoned into Everfrost and it said "You try to strike an ice giant, but miss! an ice giant died." Does this mean that when you zone, you temporarily become Pain and Suffering?
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Submited by: Jedekiah On: 5/17/2000 7:05:26 PM Rank: worst 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 best
I think when he says "You will not evade me [insert name here]", what is happening is the person fighting it tried to run, and it is summoning them back to it (it can do that btw, wish i could do that to those damn runners, lol)

Also, on the zone in thing, that happens to me, even on Pcs! Rather interesting, It might be the thing someone else said where you become Pain and Suffering, and someone/thing died the instant you started or finished zoning. The message is even the same, when you die it says "Pain and Suffering tries to strike YOU, but misses! You have died." and when the zone thing happens it says "You try to strike (NPC or PC), but miss!""(NPC/PC) died." Ive had that happen with up to five things in one zone (think it was 2 pcs, an orc centurion, a orc pawn, and a bat) to bad no exp from it, lol
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Submited by: Sekwin On: 9/6/2000 8:20:40 PM Rank: worst 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 best
This is just something that struck my mind as I was reading this.

When you die sometimes of a DoT or falling, it may say:

'Pain and Suffering tries to strike YOU, but misses'
'Pain and Suffering tries to strike YOU, but misses'

You died.

Maybe he just follows everyone around or something and waits til they fall off a cliff and die to do something noticable.

https://github.com/dbsanfte/eq-archi.../html/820.html

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<b>Message ID:</b> 820 <br/>
<b>Date:</b> Mon Sep 20 23:05:36 BST 1999 <br/>
<b>Author:</b> rich.hitz@xxx.xxx <br/>
<b>Subject:</b> Brian: Your help is needed for and SK related issue <br/>
<br/><br/>
<div id="ygrps-yiv-1227442077">Ok, I can understand the non-SK related topics not being <br/>
answered. That doesn't really bother me. <br/>
Not all of my original thread was off topic.<br/>
So, to repeat.<br/>
Why can't my Troll SK train with the Troll SK in the <br/>
Foriegn Quarter? There are several SKs there just <br/>
hanging out, yet none of them respond to anything. <br/>
Everyting else over there brings up a merchant window <br/>
when right-clicked on. The exception to this is the Ogre <br/>
guard and the NPC in the top room of the PVP arena. I <br/>
admit I have not tried anything with the Ogre inside the <br/>
building at the bottom of the first ramp. :P<br/>
<br/>
BTW I love that message:<br/>
YOU have been slain by a Sand Gian<br/>
Pain and Suffering tries to strike you but misses...<br/>
LOADING PLEASE WAIT...<br/>
--<br/>
Cronik &lt;Brethren of ill Omen&gt;<br/>
Left Hand of Thule the Pain Bringer<br/>
15th Season Troll SK<br/>
Bertoxxulous<br/>

https://github.com/dbsanfte/eq-archi...html/9475.html

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<b>Message ID:</b> 9475 <br/>
<b>Date:</b> Mon Nov 1 20:31:00 GMT 1999 <br/>
<b>Author:</b> Robin Wise 3 <br/>

...

At this point the zone went down, and it took me some 30 mintues to get back <br/>
into Kithicor to loot my corpse. I found most of the others, who had <br/>
somehow lost track of the GMs. The battle waged on, and, as you al know, <br/>
evil prevailed that day. The crowning moment was when we were warned by <br/>
Innoruuk himself to flee, and then my screen showed &quot;Hate0 tries to cast a <br/>
spell on you, but you are protected. Pain and suffering tries to strike YOU <br/>
but misses. You died.&quot;<br/>
<br/>

https://web.archive.org/web/20001118.../iplay47.shtml

22:23:00 Nov 18, 2000

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<an ogre shaman beings to cast a spell>
<an ogre shaman hits YOU for 90 points of damage> repeat, repeat.
<pain and suffering tries to strike YOU, but misses>

LOADING, PLEASE WAIT. <sigh>

https://web.archive.org/web/20030525...pg=10&sortby=2

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Submited by: info booth On: 8/4/2001 9:36:37 PM Rank: worst 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 best
he *strikes* you or trys to ive never died by him thow it say Soandso tries ti strike YOU but misses twis and then you die this ?ONLY happens if you killed by an evil worsheper from an EVIL ONLY class
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Submited by: Loganta Tranng On: 5/22/2001 3:34:31 PM Rank: worst 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 best
This mob exists in EVERY zone. My guess was there had to be a way for Verant to have you "bleed to death", but couldn't figure out how to have it happen automatically. They then created an invisible mob not meant to be killed or found named Pain and Suffering. When you are close to death, this mob gets summoned to you and attacks you. If successfully "hits" you, you get a msg about bleeding to death, which is actually this mob meleeing you. Once, I was killing a goblin in FM, and it says Pain and Suffering tried to strike it, but missed..so it also happens to NPCs as well.
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Submited by: Nesmos On: 4/19/2000 5:08:00 PM Rank: worst 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 best
LOL!!! Sometimes whjen you die it says Pain and Suffering tries to strike you but misses. Mabye this is just a joke or actually has to do with it.
https://web.archive.org/web/20030611...how&BID=513853

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Submited by: elementeon On: 11/28/2002 7:32:56 AM Rank: worst 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 best
I bet this isn't a creature at all! If you jump into the lava in Lavastone Mountain it says Pain and Suffering strikes you for 600 points of damage 5 times in a row. So this isn't a creature because its like dieing from poison and disease!
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Submited by: Anonymous On: 11/22/2001 4:36:46 PM Rank: worst 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 best
Sheesh, pain and suffering exists in EVERY zone. It just quickly appears and attempts to strike you when you die of poison/falling, etc. and then goes back to a very hard to reach place of the zone.

So it does exist and you can fight it.
https://web.archive.org/web/20061113...y.com/poh.html

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Plane of Hate July 16th, 2001

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[Mon Jul 16 19:19:32 2001] Cleric of Innoruuk hits YOU for 82 points of damage.

[Mon Jul 16 19:19:32 2001] An ire ghast hits YOU for 139 points of damage.

[Mon Jul 16 19:19:32 2001] An ire ghast tries to hit YOU, but misses!

[Mon Jul 16 19:19:32 2001] An ire ghast tries to hit YOU, but misses!

[Mon Jul 16 19:19:32 2001] You begin casting Feign Death.

[Mon Jul 16 19:19:32 2001] An abhorrent hits YOU for 88 points of damage.

[Mon Jul 16 19:19:32 2001] Cleric of Innoruuk tries to hit YOU, but misses!

[Mon Jul 16 19:19:32 2001] Cleric of Innoruuk hits YOU for 103 points of damage.

[Mon Jul 16 19:19:32 2001] You have been knocked unconscious!

[Mon Jul 16 19:19:32 2001] Pain and suffering tries to strike YOU, but misses!

[Mon Jul 16 19:19:32 2001] You died.

[Mon Jul 16 19:19:34 2001] an ire ghast says 'If you are lucky, you will stay dead. If you are not lucky, you will become as we are!

[Mon Jul 16 19:19:34 2001] An ire ghast hits YOU for 139 points of damage.

[Mon Jul 16 19:19:34 2001] You have been slain by an ire ghast!

[Mon Jul 16 19:19:34 2001] Returning to home point, please wait...

[Mon Jul 16 19:19:46 2001] LOADING, PLEASE WAIT...

[Mon Jul 16 19:20:17 2001] You have entered Oasis of Marr.

https://web.archive.org/web/20010616...ML/002840.html

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Pain and suffering is when you have purple in your HP bar, When you die without the purple bar, laying on the ground, bleeding or whatever it will say "Pain and suffering tries to strike, but misses" If you do and die anyways it will not say that.
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Old 11-22-2022, 10:56 AM
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Same everlore comments as seen above, edited down to only include descriptions which match the screenshot.

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Submited by: Dewar On: 4/25/2000 2:10:53 PM Rank: worst 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 best

...

Has anyone else had this happen? When you zone into some place, before it even says "You have entered (whatever zone)" it will say "You try to strike (someone or something), but miss! (Thing from last line) died." Once, with my magician Jortem at level 12, I zoned into Everfrost and it said "You try to strike an ice giant, but miss! an ice giant died."
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Submited by: Jedekiah On: 5/17/2000 7:05:26 PM Rank: worst 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 best

...

Also, on the zone in thing, that happens to me, even on Pcs! Rather interesting, It might be the thing someone else said where you become Pain and Suffering, and someone/thing died the instant you started or finished zoning. The message is even the same, when you die it says "Pain and Suffering tries to strike YOU, but misses! You have died." and when the zone thing happens it says "You try to strike (NPC or PC), but miss!""(NPC/PC) died." Ive had that happen with up to five things in one zone (think it was 2 pcs, an orc centurion, a orc pawn, and a bat) to bad no exp from it, lol
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Old 11-22-2022, 11:30 AM
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So far, all missing attacks have only shown in text as strikes.
When slain by pain and suffering, it is identified to others in text only as "!".
When the attacks do connect they show as hits, bashes, and presumably kicks as well.
Approximately 20k hitpoints and hits for 137 max, as confirmed here.

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Pain and Suffering Reply... By: NaeenSpeed,
3 posts
Posted @ Tue, Aug 28th 4:44 AM 2001 Score: Decent[3.00]
Killed him tonight. Has about 20k HP, hits for 137 max.
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Pain and Suffering Reply... By: Anonymous
Posted @ Wed, Jun 6th 6:23 PM 2001 Score: Good[4.00]

"Pain and suffering hits YOU for 137 points of damage". (It hit me less than 15 times total throughout the fight, 137 is the max.) The hitpoints of this mob are roughly 19,000. You get very little exp and there is NO loot. Also wanted to note that you dont need any buffs (although clarity would be nice) to kill this, it doesnt cast or run at sow speed.
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Old 11-29-2022, 07:35 PM
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I reported this issue months ago: https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...d.php?t=384409
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Old 11-30-2022, 11:00 AM
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Aye, noted/linked it in initial post for further information. Unfortunately couldn't bump/add to that thread as it is closed.
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Old 12-06-2022, 02:02 AM
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Thanks, appreciate the detail. Would love to see it fixed. Made bard kiting in PoF extra risky for no reason.

Edit: ah I just noticed your screenshot of the bash/hits landing. I'd never seen that evidence before. Not sure if kicks still make sense, but that might prove that bashes are actually intended (rip)
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Old 12-06-2022, 07:59 AM
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Thanks, appreciate the detail. Would love to see it fixed. Made bard kiting in PoF extra risky for no reason.

Edit: ah I just noticed your screenshot of the bash/hits landing. I'd never seen that evidence before. Not sure if kicks still make sense, but that might prove that bashes are actually intended (rip)
There was an invisible (no model / shadowed man type) NPC in lavastorm with no visible name, deep in the lava, that was targettable and could be engaged. Since it had no name, it registered as "Pain and suffering" to the client, which, in those screenshots without context has apparently led to some confusion in emulator development between that lavastorm NPC and actual pain and suffering damage.

But no, "pain and suffering" should not be punching anyone for 100 damage, bashing, or doing any type of standard melee combat. That is a specific NPC in actual combat, not the actual pain and suffering mechanic at work.

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it is identified to others in text only as "!".
The ! is just the end of the sentence. When you're slain by anything it ends in an exclamation point. The name of that lavastorm NPC was a null value. Not even a space.

All actual records of real legitimate pain and suffering show exactly what was described above, where every tick it either misses you and you get your standard hp regen for that tick, or you get the message about bleeding to death and go deeper into the purple instead of regenning hp.

It's basically supposed to be a death save roll while you are in the purple, where there are two outcomes:

Outcome A) Pain and suffering tries you strike YOU, but misses: You regen your hp for the tick

Outcome B) YOU are bleeding to death: You lose the same amount of hp you would have regenned for the tick

No outcome should involve being struck for melee damage, or hit by special combat abilities.
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Old 12-06-2022, 01:07 PM
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The ! is just the end of the sentence. When you're slain by anything it ends in an exclamation point. The name of that lavastorm NPC was a null value. Not even a space.

All actual records of real legitimate pain and suffering show exactly what was described above, where every tick it either misses you and you get your standard hp regen for that tick, or you get the message about bleeding to death and go deeper into the purple instead of regenning hp.

It's basically supposed to be a death save roll while you are in the purple, where there are two outcomes:

Outcome A) Pain and suffering tries you strike YOU, but misses: You regen your hp for the tick

Outcome B) YOU are bleeding to death: You lose the same amount of hp you would have regenned for the tick

No outcome should involve being struck for melee damage, or hit by special combat abilities.
Ah of course, I was confusing it with NPCs that had "!" above their heads.

https://web.archive.org/web/20020127...&pg=2&sortby=2

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There was an invisible (no model / shadowed man type) NPC in lavastorm with no visible name, deep in the lava, that was targettable and could be engaged. Since it had no name, it registered as "Pain and suffering" to the client, which, in those screenshots without context has apparently led to some confusion in emulator development between that lavastorm NPC and actual pain and suffering damage.

But no, "pain and suffering" should not be punching anyone for 100 damage, bashing, or doing any type of standard melee combat. That is a specific NPC in actual combat, not the actual pain and suffering mechanic at work.
Thanks for the clarification. Will see about finding more examples, outside of LS.
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