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Old 04-06-2019, 10:17 PM
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Leapfrogging would be possible but there's a good chance while you're up there dicking around / stalemating with another guild over who is going to pull first, another dragon could spawn and now you're both DQed and another guild starts clearing to that. It's in everyone's best interest to clear towards a specific target as quickly as possible without any fuckery.
Again, not here to attempt to fix NToV, as I feel the raid scene (as a whole) is fucked due to simple rules being blatantly ignored and/or skewed via lawyer questing. Ultimately what you're asking for/discussing is a CSR/Dev level fix. What I'm bringing to this thread is a community level discussion about the player-agreement of mob concessions.
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Old 04-06-2019, 10:31 PM
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Again, not here to attempt to fix NToV, as I feel the raid scene (as a whole) is fucked due to simple rules being blatantly ignored and/or skewed via lawyer questing. Ultimately what you're asking for/discussing is a CSR/Dev level fix. What I'm bringing to this thread is a community level discussion about the player-agreement of mob concessions.
I'm struggling to think of how a concession system in which the conceding party had to give loot rights to the offended guild would even work.

What happens when there are 3 guilds present? Does the conceding guild have to give loot to both the other guilds from one kill? From two kills?

What happens if the conceding guild almost never gets to kill that mob anyway? They'd just... never kill it again, or take months to do so.

Ultimately what makes the concession system (sort of) work is the idea that if you don't concede a mob as per the rules, the threat of a raid ban hangs over your head. Implementing a new concession system as you're suggesting would require that same threat of enforcement and therefore a rule change, so in effect this is ALSO a CSR-level fix. If there was no threat of enforcement from the CSR staff, no one would do it.

And it doesn't fix the lawyerquesting; it just adds another layer of lawyerquesting. IMO if people want to get away from the 20 pages of elf law, the only way that's going to happen is by coding the solutions into the game. EQ was one of the first games of its kind so they didn't have a lot of this stuff ironed out back in 1999, but I'm sure you're aware that every expansion and every MMO that has come out since has addressed the problems of the genre not by server rules but by actual game design systems. Obviously, a lot of us here disagree with the instancing solution that took over most games, but the point remains that ultimately coding the game to prevent these types of issues in the first place is going to be the only way to really solve this sort of thing.
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P99ers do a lot of things well. Handling surprise adds / splitting up focus is not one of them. Mostly because the classes that do that the best (SK/Paladins) are generally trashed and considered useless, and because pulls are considered failures if a dragons doesn't appear at the zone line solo.
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Old 04-06-2019, 10:35 PM
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just play red
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Old 04-06-2019, 10:43 PM
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TBH, I think they should just remove all raid rules for NToV.

Allow train wars, camping on spawn spots, DPS sniping, etc.

Have them experience the chaos of complete anarchy, so that they will be forced to compromise on rules for their own benefit. It's embarrasing that so many adults need to be babysat while playing their elf game.
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Old 04-06-2019, 10:50 PM
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Finally someone else gets it

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Old 04-07-2019, 12:46 AM
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just play red
According to Braknar's reddit comments Red doesn't even get checked for RMT.
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Old 04-07-2019, 12:50 AM
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According to Braknar's reddit comments Red doesn't even get checked for RMT.
Maybe he wants more potential buyers.
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P99ers do a lot of things well. Handling surprise adds / splitting up focus is not one of them. Mostly because the classes that do that the best (SK/Paladins) are generally trashed and considered useless, and because pulls are considered failures if a dragons doesn't appear at the zone line solo.
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Old 04-07-2019, 01:04 AM
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He DID suggest a viable alternative - root the raid mobs.
Yes please kill Lord Feshlak when rooted, without AAs, after clearing 1-2 hours of trash per dragon. It's as if some people never raided here.
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Old 04-07-2019, 01:25 AM
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This may sound strange given how MMORPGs are done now, but back in the day all the servers had different rules. Basically a GM would say X/Y was wrong/right and it would become standard on the server, but not all servers had the same rules.. That said, I'd guess the majoirty of servers worked on the DPS-wins model and usually had a general "hands off" type enforcement. But some of them did have really restrictive rules about raiding/training/causing other players grief in raid content. I'd also guess it was born out of laziness that most of them allowed a lot of chicanery.
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Old 04-07-2019, 01:49 AM
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oh look another thread about how to fix the raid scene from people that want it tailored to their individual tastes.

Didn't read and filed under trash
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