Game Mechanics: Main hand damage bonus is affecting bow damage

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by Beatnix [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm sure the original eq devs planned for large races to outshine all others by way of a bow and a trashdrop vendor item.

Devs planned a lot of things that didn't pan out.

Different crew on items to game mechanics. Especially re kunark items vs release era game mechanics.

Agreed that holstering a huge axe magically makes your bow better than holstering a sword and dagger seems silly. Lots of stuff in eq is silly though.

Is it classically silly though?

If we nerf this, where do we stop? Charm? Leave the enchanters alone.

[MiRo2]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It went largely un-noticed on p1999 by people pretty familiar with Eq game mechanics for a decade.

Doesn't seem unlikely it would go un-noticed on live by relative noobs for 2 years.

2 Hander damage bonus was part of a late velious patch on live, and wasn't implemented on p1999 until less than 2 years ago.

Patch Notes: September 8th, 2019

Rogean: [Kunark/Sep2000/Oct2001] Applied Era Rules to Weapon Damage Bonus Calculations.

[Beatnix]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Devs planned a lot of things that didn't pan out.

Different crew on items to game mechanics. Especially re kunark items vs release era game mechanics.

Agreed that holstering a huge axe magically makes your bow better than holstering a sword and dagger seems silly. Lots of stuff in eq is silly though.

Is it classically silly though?

If we nerf this, where do we stop? Charm? Leave the enchanters alone.

Charm has been looked at recently as well. Can't charm merchants now? Think that's right anyhow. And yes, classicly silly.

If this was actually in classic, no evidence of such, and commonly used i believe the devs would have addressed it in some way. Just like removing items from drop tables or retro nerfing items because they were deemed too powerful.

[Baugi]

Originally Posted by MiRo2 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

2 Hander damage bonus was part of a late velious patch on live, and wasn't implemented on p1999 until less than 2 years ago.

They changed the values, but the bonus has been in for much longer than that.

Patch Notes, Sunday, May 29th, 2011
...
Kanras: Classic 2H dmg bonus.

To clarify my earlier claim - my logs (which go back to 2018) show rogues bow min-hitting for their one-handed damage bonus and knights bow min-hitting for more than that (regardless of bow), which suggests that P99 has been using the mainhand damage bonus for a very long time. Obviously, boosting the 2handed damage bonus made it more relevant.

[MiRo2]

This is just a guess, but the 2011 classic damage bonus change was likely taking it to classic values from whatever the stock eqemu code was. Classic bonus values were static ish, and the pre-luclin upgrade heavily incorporated weapon delay, specifically on weapons above like 38 delay.

My point was that it certainly wasn't just not noticed during live. Played on tallon starting in late classic and I never truly feared bow damage until rangers got AM3.

[Tune]

this is beyond stupid at this point

like this is the worst bug that is preventing people from even wanting to play

bump for sanity

[Tune]

has any1 parsed dagarn bow + weighted axe?

like how is every1 not using that atm

this is silly needs a fix

[Nirgon]

Originally Posted by Tune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

like how is every1 not using that atm

Cuz 1000+ people left and want a new server

You got any other brain teasers for us? High Priest Haynar was the only dude left givin' a hoot and think his patience bout ran out with the fungus twanks cuz there's no item loot to counter balance that shit bind rushing you and griefing

If you can get them off green be my guest

[Treats]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It went largely un-noticed on p1999 by people pretty familiar with Eq game mechanics for a decade.

Doesn't seem unlikely it would go un-noticed on live by relative noobs for 2 years.

Yeah it went un-noticed for a decade on here and on live for 2 years.

Wanna know why?

BECUASE IT NEVER EXISTED IN THE FIRST PLACE UNTIL LATE VELIOUS.

Completely clueless.

[Tune]

Originally Posted by Treats [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah it went un-noticed for a decade on here and on live for 2 years.

Wanna know why?

BECUASE IT NEVER EXISTED IN THE FIRST PLACE UNTIL LATE VELIOUS.

Completely clueless.

yup