NPC Spawn Issue: Vorshar the Despised

[Rygar]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

One of the mobs on the dock near him is on a similar faction. You can dazzle it next to Vorshar to prevent the flee.

He dropped these items on Al'Kabor which had a 2002 code break cut off. I find it hard to believe they saw fit to add the mob in 2001, then not put items on him until 2002 unless there is some evidence suggesting this delay.

These items are not overpowering at all.

I still think the burden of proof lies on proving the drops existed on that mob in era, even a single post for one of the items could lead to credibility for the rest. Seems odd the item links all mention being drops or give aways from GM events at the start, then later in era mentions about drops on this guy.

Admittedly i know nothing of Al'Kabor, but is everything on that server exactly how it was on live? Or are there documented discrepancies for certain things?

Even if the code was the same, couldn't some of the database be altered, such as drop tables from mobs?

[pasi]

Originally Posted by Caiu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=434
Effect: Complete Heal (Any Slot/Can Equip, Casting Time: Instant)

Bolded restrictions did not exist during the timeline this server seeks to emulate.

I'm not sure I follow what you're saying.

Are you saying that items did not visually show any slot/can equip in era? I.e change to displaying effects info more than "Cobalt Boots Effect: Strength of Kunzar."

Or are you stating that no items up to Luclin had the designation where they could be clicked from inventory, but required it to be equippable (i.e if you could click it from inventory, anybody could use it)?

Anyhow: I agree with the idea that it is absurdly unlikely that developers intentionally added loot to Vorshar in Luclin as opposed to when they implemented Realm of Heroes. Having GM event items dropping from an NPC was most likely a mistake (and later Vorshar was changed).

GL Daldaen. He probably existed w/ full-loot table when originally added, but you aren't going to find shit about it in the April (?) 2001 to Dec 2001 range.

[markcosmin]

Originally Posted by Rygar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The comments from the drops off this mob appear to be out of era significantly (2007 and later).

I don't doubt he was added in, but it seems the other comments and clicking on the items themselves seem to suggest the rewards were from some sort of Firionia Vie GM event in Burning Woods or Skyfire or something I read from one of the links. Others seemed to suggest the mob was a quest NPC that you handed coins to from GM events to receive rewards.

Saw nothing in era of him dropping those loots. Of course it could be possible no one successfully killed him as he seemed to be very beastly, but I don't think he should be added in with those items.

Would be cool if those city NPCs are added and just reward some items from coins acquired during GM events or perhaps rare random ground spawns in world (one post mentioned someone picked up a coin from the ground to give this guy).

Coins could make it easier for GMs to distribute items to people during GM events or make them a rare ground spawns elsewhere in world.

The items and quest were intended, I doubt there is any video of the fan faire on youtube but story goes something like this guy made himself a personal vendor that produced plat, and basically 'stole' from other developers - their revenge was to hand out tokens you gave in (which gave you one item on his drop table for your class) from GM events (this was there attempt about 2 years before legends server for 'custom content') - hes 72 hour spawn (this i almost remember 100%) and he always dropped at least 2 items, he was a 3 group mob in velious era (pre luclin) I remember because warriors still wanted cobalt legs.

[Rygar]

What do you mean someone made a personal vendor that produced plat to steal from developers? I'm not following. Are you saying some developer got disgruntled, and made some other vendor that stole plat from the server / player (like would eat your plat and not give you an item?), and to make up for that this guy was put in so you can redeem tokens for items?

If so that is more of an argument not to put him in.

Maybe you are saying the stealing plat from developers was a Lore angle to a storyline for putting him in, but OMG the cringe involved with that is horrible.

Please explain further, I'm just not picking up what you are putting down.

[markcosmin]

Originally Posted by Rygar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What do you mean someone made a personal vendor that produced plat to steal from developers? I'm not following. Are you saying some developer got disgruntled, and made some other vendor that stole plat from the server / player (like would eat your plat and not give you an item?), and to make up for that this guy was put in so you can redeem tokens for items?

If so that is more of an argument not to put him in.

Maybe you are saying the stealing plat from developers was a Lore angle to a storyline for putting him in, but OMG the cringe involved with that is horrible.

Please explain further, I'm just not picking up what you are putting down.

voshar did dirty shit, so they shamed him in game for it, that clear enough?

[Rygar]

Originally Posted by markcosmin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

voshar did dirty shit, so they shamed him in game for it, that clear enough?

No, not quite. Your original explanation still comes off a bit confusing, can you explain it without being rude? I am maybe guessing you are saying a developer maybe had a character named Voshar and they banned him for shady reasons and named this NPC after him (calling him 'The Despised').

[Daldaen]

They also named the Necromancer Ornate Silk armor set after Vorshar!

[markcosmin]

Originally Posted by Rygar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, not quite. Your original explanation still comes off a bit confusing, can you explain it without being rude? I am maybe guessing you are saying a developer maybe had a character named Voshar and they banned him for shady reasons and named this NPC after him (calling him 'The Despised').

correct, and it was an attempt at making him forever a slave handing out unique things he couldn't have himself, it was scrapped, but it SHOULD be in this era, he was in the game for months before luclin - you would win tokens from GM events and turn them in for an item (or kill him for two items) he was removed when luclin launched and the casino was released

[Secrets]

Originally Posted by markcosmin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

luclin launched and the casino was released

Casino wasn't in on Luclin launch. The Casino didn't exist on Al'Kabor, for example.

If the NPC was added in October 2001, and loot was dropping on Al'Kabor then he had the loot at that time on him. It lines up with 2001's fan faire where SOE would have told such a story, too.
Fan Faire was held on Orlando Florida, October 19-20, 2001.

Now - did anyone really know and was it commonplace knowledge that the items that dropped were that powerful? Probably not, and no one thought to kill this NPC if he is hail-able.

[maximum]

You beat everyone to the punch, but here is the newer thread with evidence: https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...d.php?t=284128