My Theory About Why Feminism is Currently Irrelevent to Millenials

[Pokesan]

focus mick. you're clearly passionate but go bananas when disagreed with. elaborate on the falseness of the accusations in specific details. do not take the train to crazytown and yell about liberals.

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[loramin]

Originally Posted by mickmoranis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

loramin, each accusation you have made I have shown you it is false.

You seriously going to sit there and not pretend that gay people have been the greater victim in Hollywood from sexual deviance? Fuck dude, they cant even fucking marry. Jesus Christ you libtards are insane.

Originally Posted by mickmoranis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are clouded by emotion ...
Oh by the way, so far over half the allegations of sexual harassment in hollywood are from MALE victims. So take your bullshit lies and rhetoric and shove it up your polarbear hat.

You defended "so far over half the allegations of sexual harassment in hollywood are from MALE victims" with "gay people have been the greater victim in Hollywood from sexual deviance". They're completely different statements (and the latter certainly doesn't provide any proof of the former).

C'mon man, prove that the words you said are true: prove that "over half the allegations of sexual harassment in hollywood are from MALE victims"!

[mickmoranis]

oh im sorry are gay men not males?

so far, rob schider terrie cruise, corey feldmen, the men kevin spacy got in trouble over, thats like 15 right there.

https://www.defense.gov/News/Article/Article/604140/

here we see that 90% of male victims do not report it.

Im not a fucking library, use google next time and explore the wonder of opening your mind.

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Words are the last thing i want to put in to your mouth, MM, but the reductio ad absurdium there is that men are fuck boys to be used at a womans whim, otherwise no one would ever makies the babies.

 

I'm aware of logical phalluses

omgosh, just realized what happened here (o^^o) it's okay though... you are a fun forums poster, so i won't object.


peh- ,*spits on the forum floor and flashes two thumbs up*

[mickmoranis]

Originally Posted by Pokesan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

do not take the train to crazytown and yell about liberals.

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[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Individual adoption of kids of any ethnicity is (obviously) a good thing. But if we're talking about fighting discrimination we're not talking about individual adoptions; by definition we have to be talking about mass adoption, because no one thinks adopting a single minority kid will solve anything.

It will for that single minority kid, but it's a tremendous investment so of course nobody wants to do that because it is easier to battle the illusory demon with words than it is to actually do something.

And as I said before, large scale adoptions to integrate minorities into society (which is what we're talking about in both the Native-American and African-American cases) has an ugly and racist history.

But there's also a larger issue to the whole thing, and that's the assumption that the problem is the minorities.

no, it's not. that has nothing to do with my argument. that assumption has no part in it. my argument is that you, whoever you are (or anyone else for that matter), whether you are brown or pink or black or yellow or red, you as a parent have absolute authority over your child and their environment (whether they are brown or pink or black or yellow or red) and with that control of their environment, you (whether your are brown or pink or black or yellow or red) can exclude discrimination from that environment. That is the point. It has nothing to do with racism or colors of people or anything else. you have that capacity as a parent. THAT is the point.

Now, if you believe that discrimination is an issue, you can exclude it from the environment of your children, THEREFORE you can eliminate roughly two decades (possibly much more) of discrimination for an individual by adopting them as a child.

If we could only adopt and teach these black children to act like white children then the problem would be solved!

nobody has argued this except you just now, here in this post.

Except a black adopted child is going to face the exact same discrimination for the color of their skin as a white child (only they'll have the added awkwardness of parents who don't share that with them).

So if mass (or individual) adoptions won't fight racism ...


How about writing a book, movie, or TV show where the black (or any minority) character is not defined by their race? Like where a main character is black, but they're not The Black Panther, they're not the villain in Luke Cage, there's just a person who happens to be black. Or where the hot dog vendor, x-ray technician, or whatever side role is black, and their race is completely irrelevant (eg. it's not in a crime show set in Baltimore).

Or write one where the African-American character is a criminal, but the viewer empathizes with their actions and see them as a result of their circumstances (the way you do with, for instance, the main character in Slumdog Millionaire) rather than as a consequence of their skin color.

Or how about making a commercial where the black kid isn't just the "token black kid", they actually have a central role which has nothing to do with being "urban" or black?

Or what about fighting racist in the courts? On average blacks are convicted and given longer sentences than white people (for equal crimes). An individual lawyer or judge could make a huge impact not just in their own courtroom, but by convincing their peers to confront their latent racism and how it impacts their legal decisions.

Or if you're a cop, fighting back against the stereotypes within your fellow law enforcement officers that blacks are dangerous criminals and/or deserve less rights.

Or if you work for a pharmaceutical company make band-aids for all skin colors, not just "white".

Or if ...

all excellent examples of effortless platitudes that accomplish nothing, but foster a sense of purpose in the actor all the same :c

in a free society (one which respects individual liberties and private property) you can't change people, but you can change sections of the environment.

I could go on but hopefully you get the point: the solution to solving racism isn't to adopt kids who will just face that racism (along with the awkwardness of having parents who don't), it's to influence your fellow humans to not be racist.

how terribly convenient! change for one is of no value, so let us continue painting the window until the night is no more.

i get your point and it makes me very sad, because it speaks to my original point that nobody is willing to face reality for a better tomorrow. we take refuge in our delusions until it's finally over and we can rest.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

all excellent examples of effortless platitudes that accomplish nothing, but foster a sense of purpose in the actor all the same :c

in a free society (one which respects individual liberties and private property) you can't change people, but you can change sections of the environment.



how terribly convenient! change for one is of no value, so let us continue painting the window until the night is no more.

When someone says "X is hard" a lot of people hear "X is impossible, and/or Y is easier". But it doesn't matter if Y is easier, if it doesn't do anything. It may suck, but sometimes you have to do the hard thing to get what you want

Look at the history of social movements. Look at how apartheid South Africa lost the "apartheid" part. Look at how colonized people all over the globe threw out their imperial powers. Look at how minorities like the Irish, Scottish, and Irish became equal to "real Americans". Look at all the progress Asian-Americans, African-Americans, Native-Americans, etc. have made in the last 200 years.

None of that came from adoptions. You can't point me to a single marginalized people anywhere in history who lost their marginalized status by adopting or being adopted. It never happened.

What did happen is lots of "thought leaders" worked very hard, incredibly hard, to change the thoughts of people. Authors, actors, judges, cops, etc. all played a part in changing perceptions. It's 100% possible: the idea of "Irish rights" is pretty much laughable now, but that's only because of the incredible hard work their advocates did ... not because of adoptions.

[loramin]

Mick your memory doesn't seem to be so good, so here's a quick recap:

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How many of these issues have you heard about with women as the antagonists? This is transparently, obviously, a male problem.

Originally Posted by mickmoranis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh by the way, so far over half the allegations of sexual harassment in hollywood are from MALE victims. So take your bullshit lies and rhetoric and shove it up your polarbear hat.

You said I was making "bullshit lies", and made a bullshit lie yourself in the process, so I called you out on it and asked for proof.

Originally Posted by mickmoranis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

so far, rob schider terrie cruise, corey feldmen, the men kevin spacy got in trouble over, thats like 15 right there.

Yes, men are getting in trouble. That was actually my original point. You were supposed to be providing evidence of what you said, that they "are from MALE victims".

Originally Posted by mickmoranis

https://www.defense.gov/News/Article/Article/604140/

here we see that 90% of male victims do not report it.

Im not a fucking library, use google next time and explore the wonder of opening your mind.

You linked an article about the military. Well duh, there are a lot more men in the military than women, so that's obviously going to skew who gets assaulted. But we were never talking about the military, we were talking about Hollywood; again your words (the stuff you're supposed to prove is not bullshit):

Originally Posted by mickmoranis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh by the way, so far over half the allegations of sexual harassment in hollywood are from MALE victims.

[Pokesan]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

the idea of "Irish rights" is pretty much laughable now, but that's only because of the incredible hard work their advocates did ... not because of adoptions.

actually, prohibition.

[AzzarTheGod]

Originally Posted by Pokesan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

actually, prohibition.

yaw. they came up off liquor mostly. JFK's father prime example.

admitted into aristocracy based on sheer net worth + gentlemanly american military history + making tons of money. Even the elites want to "know a guy, who knows a guy". That was the Irish booze brothers.

they wanted the street cred cosign some of these nuevo rich irish guys could provide. the irish became the go-to "get close to dangerous people, but still extremely safe" ala Cuba. Cuba before the revolution was a place where aristocrats could get close to danger without being in danger.

Irish "businessmen" were the same device. Get close to the danger without being in danger. a valuable social commodity. a white-washing of crime, if you will. everyone knows slap a white face on it repackage it and it sells.