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[Gustoo]

Sadly the url to his image is gone but here is his old post for re-igniting 5 year old discussion


Originally Posted by nilbog
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West side:
Erudites
Barbarians
Humans - Qeynos
Half Elves - Qeynos
Dark Elves
Ogres

East side:
High Elves
Gnomes
Dwarves
Trolls
Wood Elves
Half Elves - Kelethin
Iksar

Freeport - Point of contention. Humans spawning here can ally to either side.(?)

Just curious how this would play out.

[Gustoo]

Right off the bat I think that Iksar is going to have to be a split race that can go to either side, because there is a lot of iksar loyalty and iksar monks and necro's are just too excellent to be on one side only. Also sadly the shire folk just like LOTR were left out of the dark lords plans

[Jibartik]

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[Gustoo]

A lot of chumps really want teams so I want to talk about it again. I don't think its as good as a real rallos zek server but if it was teams like this or similar and sullon zek rules it could make for a decent set up.

The way I see it there are only 2 ways to make low levels not too stupid.

1. Item loot with small pvp range (4 level rallos style) and obvious restrictions on deleveling or equipping elite no drop stuff like rogue epics as a lowbie.

2. Sullon rules so theres no reason to park a twink level 20 at unrest since he will be smashed by any level 50 or 60 that chooses to clean house.

I personally really enjoy low level PVP a lot, so I prefer option 1. But if people don't want to have item loot enabled then its gotta be option 2 to balance things out.

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[Gustoo]

Thanks for posting the map. Looks like halflings are with the west side. I think for sure iksars have to be split. Anyone disagree? Maybe it helps balance?

[Jibartik]

Teams > RZ pvp for one reason:

Regular people will play on a teams server.

I cant explain why, but it be that way. Although I played on RZ and item loot only resulted in 1 thing, me as a teenage boy contemplating suicide over a video game so I am not much of a fan of that lol

[Gustoo]

I'm going to look at this list in terms of significant best races for a given class. Some classes it matters less so I'm not gunna say anything, like druid, bard, ranger, wizard, magician, paladin.

I will say that the west side gets all the blind races and with new crazyballs forced lighting situation all those races suck pretty bad for PVP till items fix it.

West side:
Erudites
Barbarians - Best Rogue
Humans - Qeynos
Half Elves - Qeynos
Dark Elves
Ogres - Best SK, Shaman, Warrior
Halfling

East side:
High Elves - Best Cleric, Best Enchanter
Gnomes - H
Dwarves
Trolls - Contested best SK, Shaman, Warrior
Wood Elves
Half Elves - Kelethin
Iksar - Best Monk, Best Necro


I guess Iksar doesn't significantly imbalance the east side, but I think if you put trolls and iksars exclusively on 1 team you are going to get a lot of the better players on that team. Ogres superiority (IMO) and barbarian rogue superiority doesn't balance the player capital that you lose by putting classic PVP champ races (troll and iksar) all on one side.

[Gustoo]

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Teams > RZ pvp for one reason:

Regular people will play on a teams server.

I cant explain why, but it be that way. Although I played on RZ and item loot only resulted in 1 thing, me as a teenage boy contemplating suicide over a video game so I am not much of a fan of that lol

I understand these sentiments. You are grown now and can survive the loss of an item, and can just wear full banded and lose it with no sweat whatsoever while still being able to triumph over all PVE encounters.

Truly no one needs to risk any valuable gear on item loot server unless they choose to. Weapons and held items are premium priced and lootable armor is super cheap priced, it was really great on rallos. Prices for cloak of flames pretty reasonable.

But I understand and thats why we're talking about teams here. And that is why we are talking about non item loot teams. Its a decent way to make a decent server that will be different than what we already have.

I will be pushing hard for a real rallos zek replica for Red 3.0 though.

[Jibartik]

I liked on rallos how like, in pugs and in general everyone looked very mortal, wearing leather and banded. The exp and group suffered of course, but in this game a group mate will kill the tank and loot his rubi BP and just reroll.

So you gotta go weak on rallos.

Then you get to the raids, and its like all magical glowing armor, because you're safe there!

So it made this cool like, real life where you wear the magical armor to fight the dragons, aspect to the game that I thought was kind of cool.

But yeah, on p99 item loot means group murderers everywhere I'd guess lol

We know how to reroll characters and PL them too quickly and still be able to make a huge profit off that rubi BP we stole from someone we were grouped with.

Seems kinda unfun to me... but teams, teams would fix that!