Tracker FTE concessions

[Vianna]

Originally Posted by Solist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why do we have ANY raid rules, except respect FTE, and follow the PNP.

Park a raid force at doze, who cares.
Camp your toons at trak, who cares.
Claim tormax's room as a camp and claim him, who cares.

PNP covers every possibility. If a guild wants to sit at yelinak and do nothing for 4 days 'camping it'...go for it. Zero reason for raid rules, they lose yeli if they leave to go elsewhere and someone claims it.

Whole idea of raid rules is arbitrary and outdated. We had no rules on p99 many times, while maintaining PNP. Never have we not respected FTE, except for a 4 week period in VP, once. We had no PNP for a 6 week period in VP, once. Those times were epic but unsustainable.

The period of no rules worked fine, most of velious start had zero raid rules, worked fine.

Because a big enough guild would sit at and camp most of the important spawns and lock them down. You don't want that poopsock nightmare.

[Whale biologist]

Originally Posted by starkind [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

we should have a server that is a real elf court room and players can get jury duty if they dont show up to the ban hearings they get suspy for 10 days misdemeaner and the prosecution has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt links provided in discord for actual evidence and up to the gms if they want to do any investigation server side

i would pay to watch this on cable on P99NN

Archeage has that kinda. Too bad Archeage sucks!!

[myrddraal]

Originally Posted by azxten [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Because there is always a core of no life losers on P99 that takes raiding way too seriously and monopolizes every raid mob no matter how small it is. Inevitably someone who is actually good at the game shows up and "takes" one of their mobs and they throw a huge hissy fit griefing everyone, kill stealing, etc across the whole server because someone dared "challenge" them. Since they can't actually play the game well they just act like jerks to everyone in any possible situation in game. The GMs get sick of all the petitions from this behavior and while they do suspend and ban the players the said no life losers just immediately create a new character and get power leveled back to max level. They maintain at least a dozen max level characters across multiple logins rotating VPNs to ensure nothing is linked so that they can burn characters being a dick like this and not really be impacted. The GMs eventually realize that they're powerless to stop such pathetic losers from continuing to act like babies and steal mobs in Crushbone from new players given their bans have no effect and so they start to making dramatic statements like, "If you players who are nice and good at the game don't work out some kind of deal with the pathetic no life neck bearded losers to stop this endless petition nightmare we're going to close all raiding down."

And thus.. an agreement and rules are created. The no lifers then abuse the rules to continue to monopolize content and pretend they're actually good players and if anyone challenges them the cycle starts over again and more rules are added.

I used to actually think this was the same group of people for the last 10 years but now I realize it's actually different no life losers who come and go but they're always there for some reason and they're always actually pretty bad at the game and confused time commitment with skill.

hey now, people need things like fear golems for aons to sell for plat to RMT!

[Solist]

Originally Posted by Vianna [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Because a big enough guild would sit at and camp most of the important spawns and lock them down. You don't want that poopsock nightmare.

You didn't read.

The PNP does not allow you to claim more than one camp, when there is competition.

A big guild is forced to concede by the rules, a camp of their choice.

So let vanquish sit a group on tormax's throne, and one at dozekar. If TSS say they want one of them, vanq has to let one go. Job done.

Cycle repeats, until people run out of groups to sit on spawns, time to poopsock etc.

There is zero need for raid rules when the PNP exists, as it has existed since day 1 of P1999. It's just not ever been enforced.

[Vianna]

Originally Posted by Solist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You didn't read.

The PNP does not allow you to claim more than one camp, when there is competition.

A big guild is forced to concede by the rules, a camp of their choice.

So let vanquish sit a group on tormax's throne, and one at dozekar. If TSS say they want one of them, vanq has to let one go. Job done.

Cycle repeats, until people run out of groups to sit on spawns, time to poopsock etc.

There is zero need for raid rules when the PNP exists, as it has existed since day 1 of P1999. It's just not ever been enforced.

You aren't understanding the rules. The only rule is you can't have multiple FTEs in the PNP. It doesn't say your guild can't have multiple camps. You are looking at the rules for groups.

[Solist]

Correct. Scale PNP for raids. Job done.

Remove all other raid rules.

[Terrok]

Originally Posted by Arvan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The majority of rules on this box are due to detoxx and co salty crying tears

[Ovaltine]

Originally Posted by Solist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why do we have ANY raid rules, except respect FTE, and follow the PNP.

Park a raid force at doze, who cares.
Camp your toons at trak, who cares.
Claim tormax's room as a camp and claim him, who cares.

PNP covers every possibility. If a guild wants to sit at yelinak and do nothing for 4 days 'camping it'...go for it. Zero reason for raid rules, they lose yeli if they leave to go elsewhere and someone claims it.

Whole idea of raid rules is arbitrary and outdated. We had no rules on p99 many times, while maintaining PNP. Never have we not respected FTE, except for a 4 week period in VP, once. We had no PNP for a 6 week period in VP, once. Those times were epic but unsustainable.

The period of no rules worked fine, most of velious start had zero raid rules, worked fine.

Hell, there is nothing stopping the GMs from 'trying something' for a couple weeks or a month. Take away all rules in raid zones for a month. No PNP no petitions, nothing. See how that works out. Maybe guilds will crawl back asking for the rules again, or maybe not idk but it sounds like chaos and fun. Maybe try no raid rules but PNP in effect for 2 weeks. Try some shit out, it has to be better than whats goin on now.