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View Poll Results: Worst Group (not raid) Classes?
Enchanter 2 1.92%
Magician 10 9.62%
Necromancer 8 7.69%
Wizard 62 59.62%
Cleric 1 0.96%
Druid 27 25.96%
Shaman 2 1.92%
Bard 3 2.88%
Monk 2 1.92%
Ranger 22 21.15%
Rogue 3 2.88%
Paladin 4 3.85%
Shadow Knight 5 4.81%
Warrior 14 13.46%
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Old 11-22-2021, 05:11 PM
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You're right, 6 wizards could outright kill a mob fast and that is very cool. But almost any group content with tank/healer + 4 sustained dps classes would probably kill 2-4x more mobs over the course of an hour.
They could also kill 25 mobs in about the same amount of time as 1
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Old 11-22-2021, 05:40 PM
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They could also kill 25 mobs in about the same amount of time as 1
Yes perhaps... not sure what zones you could feasibly do this. How would this work, 1 wizard running around with sow gathering up the 25 mobs. Then the rest of the wizards use targeted AOE spell and hope to god it kills the pack?
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Old 11-22-2021, 11:57 PM
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A few mobs have over 6k hp lol. So fire giants may need two nukes each. So what. That is the edge of group content in classic.

I almost never visited velious because the mobs have too much hp there.
lol and just sit there waiting for mana to regen while mobs repop?

doesn't sound very efficient to me

no way to split mobs either

wizards arent shit in groups without enchanters or bards
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Old 11-23-2021, 03:39 AM
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As a wizard main, it's undeniably and unarguably wizards.

Quick math:

Most mana efficient spell - Sunstrike

1615 damage for 450 mana

That's 3.6 Damage per mana

Mana per tick at 60: 21

Mana per second = 21 / 6 = 3.5

3.5 * 3.6 = 12.6 sustained damage per second as a level 60 wizard

Even if you're pulling 1 mob a minute, the wizard is doing 756 damage total to that mob at a laughably slow pace. I.e. 11% of a KC Hand every minute. Not including resists.

The top druid nuke has a mana efficiency of 3.2 damage per mana... so on top of all their utility, they still do 90% nuke efficiency as the only thing wizards are "good" at.

The best mage nuke also has a 3.2 mana efficiency on top of their pet lmfao.

Honestly, you're probably better off with a level 35 paladin DPSing in a KC group than a 60 wizard if you're chain pulling.

All the "utility" of sTuNs, sNaRe, mAnA rEsErVOiR, sUcCoR and bUrNs DoWn FaSt does not make up for their comical shortcomings in the core functionality of a group.

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Old 11-23-2021, 08:23 AM
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Voted Enchanter. Way to bring anxiety and increased workload for a casual xp group. I just want to chill man not worry about your pet all the time trying to kill you or the rest of the group.
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Old 11-23-2021, 08:28 AM
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Old 11-23-2021, 08:33 AM
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Voted Enchanter. Way to bring anxiety and increased workload for a casual xp group. I just want to chill man not worry about your pet all the time trying to kill you or the rest of the group.
See, I'm the opposite. I love the shenanigans of random chaos.

Like the wizard rooting a bunch of adds, trying to DPS with their rain, breaking half the roots, nuking himself up. It's hilarious.
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Old 11-23-2021, 10:49 AM
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Voted Enchanter. Way to bring anxiety and increased workload for a casual xp group. I just want to chill man not worry about your pet all the time trying to kill you or the rest of the group.
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^^ nice take
absolutely lol

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See, I'm the opposite. I love the shenanigans of random chaos.

Like the wizard rooting a bunch of adds, trying to DPS with their rain, breaking half the roots, nuking himself up. It's hilarious.
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although that last pull was mine so idk
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Old 11-23-2021, 12:29 PM
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I'm always shocked to see Druids voted as one of the worst for group content. I'd argue they are one of the best for a small group and certainly no slouch for a full group. Snare, Heals, Harmony, and Damage Shield alone makes them pretty darn good. Maybe I've spent too much time in the pre 50 game, Druids are definitely better than Shamans cause they have snare and damage shield and same heals, slows maybe 50+ are invaluable in the group game, but pre 50 no chance.

With a Cleric/Tank in the group, classes I'd rather have a Druid before
Wizard
Rogue,
Another Tank,
Monk,
Shaman,
Another Cleric

With a Cleric/Tank in the group, classes I'd take over a Druid
Enchanter
Magician
Necromancer
Bard
Ranger
I mean I love playing a Druid but I wouldn't make this argument. SoW can only be cast outdoors and your snare ability isn't really that useful for stopping runners since basically any caster can just root the mob if you're worried about that. Shaman is way better than Druid because it can slow/haste and can regen mana very quickly with canni dancing. Druid skin spells are nice, but if you have a Cleric in the group then they aren't really needed. Damage shield can be helpful, but is really only a significant value add in a group with low DPS to minimize the amount of time the tank is getting hit, and in that case it's much better solved by adding another high DPS class like a monk or a Rogue (even if you have good DPS, a Monk/Rogue would still be better than taking the Druid).

Harmony is a great benefit, but negated by Rangers having it also (if a Ranger is your tank, since they can tank most content up until the higher levels) as well as Monk FD and other easy CC methods if you can't split the pull. It's just not enough of a benefit to make the Druid needed.

I'd basically only take Druid over Wizard, another tank, or another cleric.
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Old 11-23-2021, 01:12 PM
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Worst classes:

Wizard, Ranger, Mage, Druid (niche animal charming spots aside)

Best all-around 6 man group:

Cleric, Enchanter, Shaman, Warrior, Monk, Rogue
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