Recruitment Advice for AM.

[Heebs13]

Originally Posted by Arkanjil [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

who gets to decide what the pull path is?

Are you serious right now? Please find me a pull path for Vulak's guards to Lady M's pit that doesn't go past the 4-way.

Originally Posted by rezzie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Riot deliberately pulled the drakes and dropped them within LoS of us knowing that they could argue it was collateral from being on the tracks. That doesn't change it from being an intentional train either.

I was in discord voice with them at the time and intentionally training you was never brought up. What was brought up was trying to get the mobs past you guys without allowing you to stall. Maybe the pullers were secretly in tells discussing their master plan to train you for no fucking reason, but the fact that they warned you to move in ooc sort of shoots a hole in that theory, now doesn't it? And you still haven't offered any alternative explanation as to why you specifically picked THAT spot to park your raid at when there were other options available to you that wouldn't have been in the way.

You got locked out of Vulak, you sat your raid in the way of pulls to try to stall for time hoping Riot would be too scared to pull over you, it didn't work, they called your bluff, you predictably got aggro on the pull, and then someone from your guild DA trained the mobs all the way to Lady M's pit in the most blatantly intentional train I've ever seen. If you're looking for sympathy you aren't going to find any here. No one here believes what you're saying so I'm not sure why you're bothering with this bullshit.

[Nexii]

[Sat Jun 15 01:01:20 2019] Diamondfist says out of character, 'pulling out vulak flurries, AM you are locked on aary please move out of the way'
[Sat Jun 15 01:02:24 2019] Velcra`Dron hits Pinkyy for 700 points of damage.

Given less than a minute to move

[rezzie]

Hmm. If we want to focus on responses to disputes, let's take a look at Riot's from earlier that night.

• We made you aware that you trained us at Eashen.
• You engaged and killed Eashen anyway.
• Diamondfist and Quean got wyvern aggro on your botched engage, FDing them over us and delaying our CR attempts.
• Riot engages Zlexak while we try and get corpses dragged from under Eashen.
• Two minutes later Riot acknowledges the Eashen train and concedes 2x Eashen.
• Riot spends the next 9 minutes killing Zlexak while we continue the CR at Eashen from your train.
• We request 2x Zlexak concessions. Riot's response:
  

  Planarity <Riot>Last Friday at 23:12
  at this point it's not a live issue so we're going to take time to discuss it. <Riot> has co-leadership
  we'll make it right, we won't respond to threats tho

So Riot refuses to drop a mob they're engaged on - even after admitting fault - and then tells us it'll be dealt with later because it's not a live issue.

Meanwhile, Riot petitions us despite a concession ~3 minutes after being made aware of a train by our member and a 30 minute window after the concession before we engaged anything else.

Something feels inconsistent here.

[Heebs13]

Originally Posted by Nexii [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Sat Jun 15 01:01:20 2019] Diamondfist says out of character, 'pulling out vulak flurries, AM you are locked on aary please move out of the way'
[Sat Jun 15 01:02:24 2019] Velcra`Dron hits Pinkyy for 700 points of damage.

Given less than a minute to move

Does no one in Aftermath possess the ability to type in ooc 'okay we will move out of the way, give us a minute'? Is 1 minute too short a time period for you to type that?

[rezzie]

Originally Posted by Heebs13 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

they called your bluff, you predictably got aggro on the pull

Another way of saying this is: "So they decided to train you guys anyway, knowing there wouldn't be consequences."

[Heebs13]

Originally Posted by rezzie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hmm. If we want to focus on responses to disputes, let's take a look at Riot's from earlier that night.

• We made you aware that you trained us at Eashen.
• You engaged and killed Eashen anyway.
• Diamondfist and Quean got wyvern aggro on your botched engage, FDing them over us and delaying our CR attempts.
• Riot engages Zlexak while we try and get corpses dragged from under Eashen.
• Two minutes later Riot acknowledges the Eashen train and concedes 2x Eashen.
• Riot spends the next 9 minutes killing Zlexak while we continue the CR at Eashen from your train.
• We request 2x Zlexak concessions. Riot's response:
  

So Riot refuses to drop a mob they're engaged on - even after admitting fault - and then tells us it'll be dealt with later because it's not a live issue.

Meanwhile, Riot petitions us despite a concession ~3 minutes after being made aware of a train by our member and a 30 minute window after the concession before we engaged anything else.

Something feels inconsistent here.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

[Heebs13]

Originally Posted by rezzie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Another way of saying this is: "So they decided to train you guys anyway, knowing there wouldn't be consequences."

No. Intentionally training you and you getting aggro on their legitimate raid pull because you refused to move are two different things. You are wasting my time.

[Nexii]

Originally Posted by Heebs13 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Does no one in Aftermath possess the ability to type in ooc 'okay we will move out of the way, give us a minute'? Is 1 minute too short a time period for you to type that?

27 seconds Chillwin waited to engage Vulak to train us. Yah that's not much time to inform and move a raid force.

[Dman2701]

Why would Riot concede Zlexak?
Did AM concede Aary after training Riot?
Also the video you posted sure doesn't look like you guys were moving at all.

[Endonde]

Originally Posted by Heebs13 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No. Intentionally training you and you getting aggro on their legitimate raid pull because you refused to move are two different things. You are wasting my time.

This is RnF pal, everyone here is wasting their own time.