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Default Project 1999 Raid Rule FAQ (updated 10/18/2017)

These rules are in addition to the rules found here – http://www.project1999.com/raid.php
And here – http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=132299

Please remember that Guild Leaders and/or officers may be held accountable (with personal account suspensions on any/all of their characters) for any actions of their guild members, in addition to any other actions that may be taken by the Staff. It is therefore the responsibility of the Guild Leadership to ensure that all guild members abide by these (and all server) rules.

Last Updated: October 18, 2017

Q1: What is considered a "raid" on Project 1999?
A: A raid is any group of players looking to engage a raid target OR any force consisting of more than one group united in a common goal. This means that three people can be considered a raid if they intend to kill Dracoliche, or 20 people clearing fear trash. Most epic NPC's are not considered "raid" mobs. The exception to this is Ragefire, which is considered a 'high tier' mob (like the Fear golems). For all other intents and purposes, Ragefire is treated like an 'high tier' NPC (ie: camp/poopsock rules do not apply). Please keep in mind that because of the need to clear to a raid target, trains enacted on players while on the way to Ragefire can be considered raid violations and action could be taken against your guild as a whole, regardless of whether the victims are part of a raid. It is in your best interest to be very careful when racing for a target, especially when it involves training away mobs.

Q2: What exactly is Raid Disruption or Raid Interference?
A: Q3 and Q4 deal with what to do when this happens, but "Raid disruption" and "raid interference" are broad terms that cover a long list of things (near simultaneous FTE, training, kill-stealing, setting of AEs on other people, any violation of the posted raid rules, etc).

Q3: If we feel our own guild/party has violated a rule, what actions should we take?
A: If you screw up, then you should concede the mob you screwed up on.

Q4: If we feel another guild/party is breaking raid rules what actions may we take?
A: It is probably in your best interest to work raid disputes out among yourselves. The other option is the petition forum.

Q5: What about in cases where the mob dies before anyone is sure whom is at fault?
A: See Q4.
  • Note on Conceding / Forfeiting – You should concede a mob whenever your actions negatively impact another guild’s attempt at a mob, regardless of which zone the mob or the infraction take place in. Also, as far as what to concede / forfeit, if you still have a shot at the current mob, you should concede/forfeit that mob, if you do not still have a chance at the current mob, you should concede/forfeit the next two (it’s silly to try and concede a mob after you no longer have a real chance to kill that mob.

  • Note on Crying Wolf – if you request that another guild concede a mob, you better be 100% certain that they made an error, otherwise you may be punished harshly.


  • Note on Lockouts – if you concede a mob, or are suspended from a mob, those mobs will not be the mobs you are locked out from, they will be in addition to the mobs you are locked out from.

  • Note on Rule Lawyering – I think the spirit of everything we are trying to accomplish here is pretty clear. Anyone that tries to twist the words to support and/or justify nefarious actions will not be rewarded. There will be no “technically this could be that”, or “well it doesn’t exactly say this word for word”. From this point forward we will be actively enforcing the spirit of these rules more so than the exact letter of the law. Don't expect to skirt passed a raid suspension on a loop hole or technicality.

Q6: If we must bring a dispute to the GM's, how do we go about doing this?
A: If a guild breaks a rule, and refuses to remedy the situation as described above, then have one officer or leader with the authority to negotiate disputes for your guild petition in the petition/exploit forum. Please use clear formatting, cohesive sentences, and paragraphs. A full and detailed description of the event must be submitted (if the video is more than a couple minutes then you should include timestamps of importance). Include fraps, screenshots, and logs where applicable. We also request you provide a brief summary of the negotiations that took place (and likely failed) prior to the dispute being escalated to the CSR staff.

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Q7: What classifies a mob as "Engaged"?
A: A mob is classified as engaged as long as it has aggro on at least one player. Once a mob has lost aggro on all players on its hate list, it will begin to path back towards its last location prior to being engaged. The mob is considered 'un-engaged' while it is pathing back to where it belongs, you may engage the target as soon as it is no longer engaged on another guild/party, you do not have to wait for it to path all the way back to its spawn spot. The intentional manipulation of FD, Charm, DA, and other similar mechanics used to engage/disengage a raid target multiple times in an attempt to prevent other guilds/parties from engaging, or to try and get another guild/party wiped, will be viewed as raid disruption.

Q8: Can we camp raid mobs?
A: No, all raid targets are first to engage. Note* If another guild/party wipes on a raid mob, you may engage that raid mob, as soon as its aggro/hate list is clear. You do not have to wait for it to path back to its spawn spot, nor do you have to wait for it to regen back to full health.

Q9: What rules pertain to raid mobs that are triggered spawns? Either by turn in or the killing of another mob?
A: If a raid mob is triggered to spawn by killing a single mob before it (Example: Statue -> Avatar of War), the guild/party that spawned the mob has 20 minutes to engage it. The mob is open to any other guild/party on a first to engage basis once the first guild/party either no longer has a presence, or the first guild/party has wiped, or has not been engaged within the 20 minute time limit. To clarify, one engage is defined as the mob getting aggro on one or more players from the raid, and then ending after losing aggro/resetting when those players have been killed or forced to abandon the fight. Once a triggered spawn no longer has aggro on anyone, it can be killed by anyone.

Q10: What about a raid mob being indefinitely kited, stalled, or occupied?
A: It is against server policy to indefinitely kite, stall, or otherwise keep occupied a raid mob without intention of killing it. You either bring it to your raid, die, or zone out. Obvious stalling of a raid mob, especially in situations to prevent engagement by another guild/party, is against the rules. Ignorance is not an excuse to break this rule. If you are pulling raid targets, we expect you to know what you’re doing.

Q11: What about training away trash mobs?
A: This is acceptable, but if you choose to use this tactic, you must keep in mind that you are responsible for your trains/mobs. Meaning if your trainer dies or zones, and the mobs go wipe another guild, that’s still training. When the time comes to purposely drop the train, make sure to communicate and coordinate with any other guilds in the zone. This means actually communicate so that both parties have a fair amount of time to work out a safe place, or a safe time to drop the train. Please try not to run your trains within aggro range of another guild or raid party.

Q12: What exactly does the Staff consider a stall?
A: As far as engage stalls, the Staff will grant you one DA, or about that much time on an engage before considering it a stall. So it’s important that guilds do not engage a mob until they are ready to kill it. The spirit of the rule (and what we are looking to do here) is to prevent guilds from locking up a target before they are ready to kill it, just to prevent other guilds that are ready to kill it first/faster. If you stall, you need to drop aggro immediately and concede/forfeit the mob. Any number of players can be considered to be stalling a mob, what we look for is the engage of the kill force. I know some of you want an exact number of seconds, or players, or DPS done. But the fact is that’s just not realistic with guilds being so vastly different in numbers and strength, while also competing for the same content. The most important thing here is the statement about the spirit of this rule stated above.

Q13: Will the planes be open to everyone?
A: Yes. Please be respectful to your fellow players and respect their space. If there is a guild/party in Hate and they start pulling creatures, don't go up there and sit on top of them pulling mobs in their area as well. If Guild A is doing Hate, then perhaps Guild B should be doing something else. Basically, don't be a douche bag. If you insist on being in the same plane at the same time as another guild/party, you may not set up camp on top of where another guild/party has already set up camp. To clarify, there is no limit to the number of guilds/people allowed in the planes at one time.

Q14: Do we have "No-CSR" zones on Project 1999?
A: At the moment, no.

Q15: Are either of my two trackers allowed to get FTE?
A: Absolutely not. If one of your trackers gains FTE, you need to drop aggro immediately and concede/forfeit the mob.

Q16: Are we allowed to bind at raid mobs? And/or camp out toons at raid mobs?
A: Absolutely not.

Q17: How can a guild move from Class C, back to Class R?
A: If a Class C guild does not get a Class C kill for 30 days, then that guild can request that the staff place them back inside Class R. This request will be reviewed and then decided by the staff on a case by case basis.


Q18: Where can I deposit my tears?
A: As always, your tears and crying of favoritism are important to us; for without you we couldn't possibly run things around here.

Q19: What if I think a Staff member made a mistake?
A: If you feel that a Staff member may have made a mistake, we encourage you to politely and respectfully explain the situation in the Petition/Exploit section of our forums.

Q20: What if I have a legitimate complaint against a Staff member?
A: Any complaints against a Staff member should be sent to Sirken via a private message on the Project 1999 forums. Any complaints against Sirken should be directed to Rogean via a private message on the Project 1999 forums. Any complaints against Rogean should be directed to Nilbog via a private message on the Project 1999 forums.

Q21: How much time do I have to file a petition?
A: In order to request the review of a dispute, there must be a petition in the petition/exploit forum about the incident no more than one week (seven days) from the time of the dispute in question. The seventh day is the last day a dispute may be escalated to the server GMs. When filing a dispute, please use the "Other" prefix, with the title of the thread relevant to the incident. You must list at least one primary contact from your guild who has the authority to communicate with the staff and the opposing guild, as well as make decisions regarding the incident. Improperly filed petitions will be ignored.

Q22: Are we allowed to use Rezz or Rezz bot tactics to acquire FTE?
A: In short, no. do not park corpses at raid mobs with the intent of rezzing them in for FTE, do not etc.

Q23: What exactly is off limits during a Raid Suspension?
A: Anything that has an FTE message and/or is considered more than one group content is a no (except Lodizal, and Ragefire), no planes (except Plane of Sky and only on your rotation day), no VP, no ToV, no ST. Ringwar is ok on your rotation turn only.

Q24: How many raid targets can a guild be killing, engaged on, or have FTE on at a single time?
A: A guild may only be killing, engaged on, or have FTE on one raid target at a time.

Q25: If my guild FTE's or engages a raid target, how long must we wait before FTE'ing or engaging another raid target?
A: If a guild/party FTEs or engages a raid target, they may not FTE or engage a second raid target until the first one is dead or until 30 minutes has passed (this doesn't apply to triggered spawn targets that your guild triggered/spawned). Example: If your guild is in EJ and you have Sev incoming to your raid, but then Vulak pops, you are no longer allowed to just drop the Sev pull to go for Vulak. You must either kill Sev, or wait 30 minutes before FTEing a new target. The only thing this rule does is further force guilds to prioritize which targets they go after. It does not change any other aspect of raiding on the server.

A lot of you have questions as to crime & punishment; I hope to address that here:
If a petition comes to the staff, the offending guild/party will have the loots removed (if they got the kill), and will be suspended from all raid targets for 10 days if found in violation. If a guild wastes the staffs time with false, trumped up, dishonest, or insincere petitions against other guilds, then the petitioning guild will receive the suspension. In addition to this, if the petitioning guild is found to be at fault, the loot will be destroyed and not awarded to anyone. In addition to that, any appropriate individual suspensions will also be applied (ie: suspended for training if caught training, etc). Habitual offenders of these rules will see increased time added to their suspensions each time they are suspended.


Any Raid petitions made after the date and time of this post will subject to the guidelines stated in this post.


I hope this provides some clarification on a number of rules we have had in the past, as well as cementing some new rules that were recently added.
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A: In short, no. do not park corpses at raid mobs with the intent of rezzing them in for FTE
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Q3: If we feel our own guild/party has violated a rule, what actions should we take?
A: If you feel that your guild/party has violated a rule, then you need to attempt to make it right. If you forfeit/concede the target being contested within a reasonable amount of time (before the target is killed and looted), the staff will recognize this and not take action against the guild/party in question. The concession or forfeiture of a target should be made by an officer or leader, and should be made in a public channel like “/shout” or “/ooc”, to ensure that everyone sees it. At this point the concession or forfeiture is official and cannot for any reason be rescinded by the offending guild/party, nor can any other guild/party refuse to accept a concession or forfeiture. If you have conceded or forfeited a mob, and another guild petitions you for that mob anyway, they will be punished for wasting the staff’s time. The staff strongly recommends that players take Screen Shots of the text proving the concession or forfeiture of a target has taken place (Note: if any guild/party tries to manipulate the concession or forfeiture of a target for any reason, ie: GuildA kites Dragon1 away from GuildB, then concedes Dragon1 when GuildC is ready to engage the mob, preventing GuildB from engaging, this will be punished. The point of this rule is to correct an error that your guild makes, not to help your pals, or hurt your foes. It is strictly to avoid a raid/guild punishment).

Q4: If we feel another guild/party is breaking raid rules what actions may we take?
A: If you feel another guild/party is breaking a raid rule, it is standard procedure to attempt to work that dispute out with the other guild(s) in question. The staff has decided that the best way to do this is to request the concession or forfeiture of the target in question (if it is still alive) as well as the loots (if the offending party killed the target). We greatly encourage guilds to maintain open lines of communication so that a speedy and civil resolution can be reached during a dispute. If a guild breaks a rule, and refuses to concede or forfeit that target, then have one person gather up the evidence and submit it in a thread under the Petition/Exploit section of the forums. If a guild/party offers to concede/forfeit their attempt at the target, you must accept this. If the target is already killed and they offer up all of the loots to the guild that was wronged, you must accept this. Refusing to accept a concession of the target (pre-death) or forfeiture of the loots (post-death), and then just petitioning them anyway will likely result in action taken against your guild/party, and not theirs. Please always take screen shots of these conversations to prove they actually did occur.

Q5: What about in cases where the mob dies before anyone is sure whom is at fault?
A: In some situations, it’s possible that the mob will be killed before anyone can be certain who are to blame, and so no guild will concede/forfeit. In these situations, the crime has already been committed and the offending guild should concede all the loot to the guild that was wronged, but they will also be forced to not contest for the next two spawns of that mob that is available to them. They can do this by posting in the raid discussion forum, and stating that they will not be competing for the next two spawns of that mob available to them, as well as requesting to have the loots removed. As long as the items have not been turned in, this will be accepted by the staff and not warrant a raid suspension. (Note* if the offending guilds actions effect another guild/party, but do not result in the offending guild getting the kill, they will still be expected to follow the above, except for the loot, as they wouldn’t have it) (Note* please remember items must be looted for us to have proof they existed, if an item is nodrop, a staff member can assist in the transfer to the wronged guild)

Q6: If we must bring a dispute to the GM's, how do we go about doing this?
A: If a guild breaks a rule, and refuses to concede or forfeit as described above, then have one officer or leader with the authority to negotiate disputes for your guild petition in the petition/exploit forum. Please use clear formatting, cohesive sentences, and paragraphs. A full and detailed description of the event must be submitted (if the video is more than a couple minutes then you should include timestamps of importance). Include fraps, screenshots, and logs where applicable. We also request you provide a brief summary of the negotiations that took place (and likely failed) prior to the dispute being escalated to the CSR staff.

Q11: What about training away trash mobs?
A: This is acceptable, but if you choose to use this tactic, you must keep in mind that you are responsible for your trains/mobs. Meaning if your trainer dies, and the mobs go wipe another guild, that’s still training. When the time comes to purposely drop the train, make sure to communicate and coordinate with any other guilds in the zone. This means actually communicate so that both parties have a fair amount of time to work out a safe place. or a safe time to drop the train

Q12: What exactly does the Staff consider a stall?
A: As far as engage stalls, the Staff will grant you one DA, or about that much time on an engage before considering it a stall. So it’s important that guilds do not engage a mob until they are ready to kill it. The spirit of the rule (and what we are looking to do here) is to prevent guilds from locking up a target before they are ready to kill it, just to prevent other guilds that are ready to kill it first/faster. If you stall, you need to drop aggro immediately and concede/forfeit the mob. Any number of players can be considered to be stalling a mob, what we look for is the engage of the kill force. I know some of you want an exact number of seconds, or players, or DPS done, but the fact is that’s just not realistic with guilds being so vastly different in numbers and strength while also competing for the same content. The most important thing here is the statement about the spirit of this rule stated above.

A lot of you have questions as to crime & punishment; I hope to address that here:
If a petition comes to the staff, the offending guild/party will have the loots removed (if they got the kill), and will be suspended from all raid targets for 10 days. If a guild wastes the staffs time with false, trumped up, dishonest, or insincere petitions against other guilds, then the petitioning guild will receive the 10 day suspension. In addition to this, if the petitioned guild is found to be at fault, the loot will be destroyed and not awarded to anyone. In addition to that, any appropriate individual suspensions will also be applied (ie: suspended for training if caught training, etc). The staff strongly encourages players to concede/forfeit targets as soon as possible if they break a rule, and of course to also take a Screenshot of the concession/forfeiture, just in case another guild tries to say it never happened.

also, expect a thread laying out rules specific to ToV and Kael
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Q23: What exactly is off limits during a Raid Suspension?
A: anything that has an FTE message and/or is considered more than one group content is a no (except Loddy). no planes (except Plane of Sky and only on your rotation day). no VP, no ToV, no ST. Ringwar ok on your rotation turn only.
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Q25: If my guild FTE's a raid target, how long must we wait before FTE'ing another raid target?
A: If a guild FTEs a raid target, they may not FTE a second raid target until the first one is dead or until 30 minutes has passed (this doesn't apply to triggered spawn targets that your guild triggered/spawned).
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Note on Conceding / Forfeiting – You should concede a mob whenever your actions negatively impact another guild’s attempt at a mob, regardless of which zone the mob or the infraction take place in. Also, as far as what to concede / forfeit, if you still have a shot at the current mob, you should concede/forfeit that mob, if you do not still have a chance at the current mob, you should concede/forfeit the next two (it’s silly to try and concede a mob after you no longer have a real chance to kill that mob.
Removed: All bits dictating what a concession must be, and all bits stating that they must be accepted.

Other: Lots of minor changes, please carefully review and familiarize yourself with the original post in this thread.
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(Example: If your guild is in EJ and you have Sev incoming to your raid, but then Vulak pops, you are no longer allowed to just drop the Sev pull to race for Vulak. You must either kill Sev, or wait 30 minutes before FTEing a new target. The only thing this rule does is further force guilds to prioritize which targets they go after, it does not change any other aspect of raiding on the server.)
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Added "Please remember that Guild Leaders and/or officers may be held accountable (with personal account suspensions on any/all of their characters) for any actions of their guild members, in addition to any other actions that may be taken by the Staff. It is therefore the responsibility of the Guild Leadership to ensure that all guild members abide by these (and all server) rules.". This is mostly the same thing from the Server Rules (here: http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=132299), but I want to make sure it is seen in both threads, and so players understand this also applies to raid infractions.
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Q3: If we feel our own guild/party has violated a rule, what actions should we take?
A: If you feel that your guild/party has violated a rule, then you need to attempt to make it right. This attempt should be made by an officer or leader, and should be made in a public channel like “/shout” or “/ooc”, or via a direct /tell to an officer or leader to ensure that it is seen. If an agreement can be reached it is official and cannot for any reason be rescinded by the offending guild/party, nor can any guild/party petition after both sides have reached an agreement (it is important to take screen shots of these conversations). If you have reached agreement with the affected guild and another guild petitions you for that mob anyway, they will be punished for wasting the Staff’s time. The Staff strongly recommends that players take Screen Shots of the text proving that an agreement to remedy the incident has taken place (Note: if any guild/party tries to manipulate the agreement over a target for any reason, Example: GuildA kites Dragon1 away from GuildB, then concedes Dragon1 when GuildC is ready to engage the mob, preventing GuildB from engaging, this will be punished). The point of this rule is to correct an error that your guild makes, not to help your pals, or hurt your foes. It is strictly to avoid a raid/guild punishment.

Q4: If we feel another guild/party is breaking raid rules what actions may we take?
A: If you feel another guild/party is breaking a raid rule, it is standard procedure to attempt to work that dispute out with the other guild(s) in question. The Staff believes that the best way to do this is to request the concession or forfeiture of the target in question (if it is still alive) as well as the loots (if the offending party killed the target), but players are allowed to request whatever they feel is fair, and the offending guild can decide if they'd like to agree to the terms. We greatly encourage guilds to maintain open lines of communication so that a speedy and civil resolution can be reached during a dispute. If a guild breaks a rule, and refuses to remedy the situation on their own, then have one person gather up the evidence and submit it in a thread under the Petition/Exploit section of the forums. Please always take screen shots of these conversations to prove they actually did occur.

Q5: What about in cases where the mob dies before anyone is sure whom is at fault?
A: In some situations, it’s possible that the mob will be killed before anyone can be certain who is to blame. In these situations, the crime has already been committed and the offending guild should try very hard to remedy the situation and make it right. They can do this by posting in the raid discussion forum and stating the terms of the agreement (Staff will assist with loot transfer if needed). Note* if the offending guilds actions effect another guild/party, but do not result in the offending guild getting the kill, they will still be expected to follow the above, except for being able to offer up any loot, as they wouldn’t have it. Note* please remember items must be looted for us to have proof that they existed, if an item is nodrop, a staff member can assist in the transfer to the wronged guild.
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Q3: If we feel our own guild/party has violated a rule, what actions should we take?
A: If you screw up, then you should concede the mob you screwed up on.

Q4: If we feel another guild/party is breaking raid rules what actions may we take?
A: It is probably in your best interest to work raid disputes out among yourselves. The other option is the petition forum.

Q5: What about in cases where the mob dies before anyone is sure whom is at fault?
A: See Q4.
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If a petition comes to the staff, the offending guild/party will have the loots removed (if they got the kill), and will be suspended from all raid targets for 10 days if found in violation. If a guild wastes the staffs time with false, trumped up, dishonest, or insincere petitions against other guilds, then the petitioning guild will receive the suspension. In addition to this, if the petitioning guild is found to be at fault, the loot will be destroyed and not awarded to anyone. In addition to that, any appropriate individual suspensions will also be applied (ie: suspended for training if caught training, etc). Habitual offenders of these rules will see increased time added to their suspensions each time they are suspended.
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