CSG guilds FORCED to compete under rules written by neckbeards

[tacomagradd]

Originally Posted by Ennewi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

https://youtu.be/HQrY1muqaXs

Best part of this thread. Hands down.

[Terrok]

Originally Posted by Grumph [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And, not knowing anything different, CSG guilds of course think the rules are stupid and dumb and just plain excessive. And why do we even need these rules?

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Oh yeah! There’s something called a ‘stalemate,’ which maybe you’d be stuck in right now except for this rule?

....it’s hard to say for sure.

Sorry you are being FORCED to play P99. Life must be rough.

[Detoxx]

Originally Posted by titanshub [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nah, its a silly metric to begin with but we (all) definitely met it last weekend.

How many times have you contested Vulak while Riot and FrAG werent suspended? Just asking for a friend

[MaCtastic]

Originally Posted by Detoxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How many times have you contested Vulak while Riot and FrAG werent suspended? Just asking for a friend

29 November 2020

[titanshub]

Originally Posted by Detoxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How many times have you contested Vulak while Riot and FrAG werent suspended? Just asking for a friend

I don't remember you being present was a requirement to meet the metric of having contested these mobs that was used to prevent us from having a say in the rule changes. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Detoxx]

Originally Posted by titanshub [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't remember you being present was a requirement to meet the metric of having contested these mobs that was used to prevent us from having a say in the rule changes. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It isnt. What it does require is the knowledge to know why the rule was implemented. Had you competed against us or Riot, you would know why. Instead, you complained about the rule and how it didnt make sense and was confusing. That is a direct result of you competing with everyone but the people who kill it every week.

[titanshub]

Originally Posted by Detoxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It isnt. What it does require is the knowledge to know why the rule was implemented. Had you competed against us or Riot, you would know why. Instead, you complained about the rule and how it didnt make sense and was confusing. That is a direct result of you competing with everyone but the people who kill it every week.

Great, I'm glad we can both agree that everyone should be included in the discussion next time.

[Detoxx]

Originally Posted by titanshub [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Great, I'm glad we can both agree that everyone should be included in the discussion next time.

You guys were included. On the mobs you contest. Sev and Gore. You were even included in mobs you dont contest but claim that someday you will (Statue and KT). As for everything else, your presence was non-existent. Even the GMs knew this and made it clear that if you wanted more input in those areas, you should contest them more regularly.

It wasnt our call, it was theirs.

[titanshub]

Originally Posted by Detoxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You guys were included. On the mobs you contest. Sev and Gore. You were even included in mobs you dont contest but claim that someday you will (Statue and KT). As for everything else, your presence was non-existent. Even the GMs knew this and made it clear that if you wanted more input in those areas, you should contest them more regularly.

It wasnt our call, it was theirs.

Your definition of contested is carefully curated to meet your own ends. To say that quakes don't count as contested is disingenuous. They do. Kittens was there in force when you trained riot mid zlex on a quake and was actively "contesting" trips against them. We have teamed up with riot a good number of times to compete more effectively in a similar way to how you and AG team up. It just wasn't a permanent agreement. We sit in tov on pop day when timers are stacked to go after targets of opportunity (literally one to two weeks after every quake). We have contested both you and Riot and Koi. We contested AG for Jorrleag recently. We raced Riot to a Lord Kriezenn in the last few months, them from trips and us from the Aary pit. We have contested Aary on natural respawns head to head against other guilds a number of times in the last year etc etc etc. This is just the stuff I can think of off the top of my head that has happened in the last year.

The decision to exclude us from those conversations was made by the GM's but it was also a perspective heavily pushed by you and your officers in the UN in the lead up to that decision and thus you bear some responsibility denying us a voice in rule changes that do in fact effect us. I'm not upset about this, I am just pointing out how moving forward there is literally 0 reason to exclude us from any discussions about rule changes in ToV (including Vulak).

[Detoxx]

Freedom, AG and Riot are in ToV every week. You continue to point out all these times you have contested in ToV. There is not one single time I can remember you contesting anything in ToV that, again, wasnt where at least one guild was conceded or a blocker was left up with Vulak after a quake (the Kreizenn situation you are referring to).

You go to ToV on quakes, sure, but as soon as its no longer uncontested (AKA Aary, Fesh and Dagarn are dead) you leave or go to West ToV. Not trying to slight you here but all these you continue to point out all these times youve contested stuff in ToV but its not adding up to what I see every week.