CSG guilds FORCED to compete under rules written by neckbeards

[Chakfor]

Originally Posted by Detoxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh yeah cause Riots actions for 14 months when the server was uncontested was so much better. You gave 0 fucks and killed every single mob aside from the random Vindi you may have allowed another guild to try.

We say it how it is. Its like anything else, if you want to bargain, bring something to the table. Even the GMs are aware that a guild that doesnt contest (no matter how much you want to think your one off time "competing" on a Kreizenn that was intentionally left alone due to blocking Vulak is competition) should have much less weight in the decisions and rules made.

You guys are just fake and manipulative and use Kittens to push your agenda and these fools fall for it hook line and sinker. Its sad to see, really.

I pray that one day you can find a healthy outlet for your emotions. I don't dislike you so much as truly, deeply, pity you. It's a mystery who hurt you so badly that you'd feel the need to constantly spew so much hate over things that don't matter at all, in the end. And one day, whether it be today or in the twilight of your life, I hope that you find peace and learn to accept yourself and others.

[Viscere]

He likes competitive EQ

Want rotations ? go play animal crossing, cunt.

[Boptop]

Respectfully, it sounds like Kittens & Co. do not have an issue with competing, you both actually are in agreement on that issue! The need that I am identifying is that the Kittens want to feel acknowledged and to have some input on rules that can effect them.

Freedom appears to think that Kittens do not have legitimate standing to be making demands for reform. The objective criteria to be hashed out here is what constitutes legitimate standing - is it regular presence or simply having been in a position to be effected by the existing rules? I feel like there is a zone of agreement that would work for both parties. An alternative ruleset probably wouldn't work on grounds of 'fairness'. Perhaps simple inclusion in the discussion is enough after determining a proper objective criteria? Thoughts??

[greasemonk]

Originally Posted by Viscere [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

He likes competitive EQ

Want rotations ? go play animal crossing, cunt.

You still can't read, can you Viscere? I'm sure there are some copies of Hooked on Phonics still out there that could help!

It wasn't a push for rotations. It was a way to include all the guilds in the new proposals. Fair and balanced between all entities. The two guilds who argued and ultimately pushed that idea under the table were Freedom (and to a lesser extent AG due to the nature of Freedom's influence in their return to the raid scene).

Furor and Detoxx have two of the largest voices in the UN channel. More often than not, they are the ones who get their way in the changes assigned to the raid scene. This is done to ensure that they have an edge (looking at you footraces). Riot only agreed to end the ban. If they had not, then I do not doubt that the ban would still be in effect. Please do not let this fact escape your tiny brain.

Don't worry though, Detoxx will one day see you buddy! Keep on touting that party line!

You mother fucking need Jesus and Hooked on Phonics.

[Ennewi]

Originally Posted by karadin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Any guild that wanted to provide input on the rules was more than welcome to join us in timeout for 3 weeks.

Any law-abiding citizen that wants to provide input on the laws is more than welcome to join us in jail/rehab for 3 weeks.

[Naethyn]

One thing is abundantly clear, the powers that be want nothing more than the status quo, because why would they want anything other than that? Everything so far is half measures that ultimately lead to a one guild monopoly dominating the raid scene for as long as they can keep members interested. Rinse. Repeat. Ride the wave as long as you can.

Want to see meaningful change in the raid scene by reducing the total number of petitions, and us vs them toxicity, while still fostering a competitive environment?

K1C1 (kill one concede one) is the answer.

[Praxcthius]

Well what would you suggest naethyn? Many of us have heard you say that particular thing for well over a year. What would be your solution? spawn warders again? one time ffa no holds barred sleepers rumble?

Klazdaxthun

[Nexii]

Originally Posted by Naethyn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

One thing is abundantly clear, the powers that be want nothing more than the status quo, because why would they want anything other than that? Everything so far is half measures that ultimately lead to a one guild monopoly dominating the raid scene for as long as they can keep members interested. Rinse. Repeat. Ride the wave as long as you can.

Want to see meaningful change in the raid scene by reducing the total number of petitions, and us vs them toxicity, while still fostering a competitive environment?

K1C1 (kill one concede one) is the answer.

Wouldn't K1C1 basically just be a rotation between Riot and FRAG?

[Naethyn]

Originally Posted by Nexii [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wouldn't K1C1 basically just be a rotation between Riot and FRAG?

I don't think FRAG will continue to cooperate if K1C1 is on.

By adding a third faction (or more) the "us vs them" toxicity that leads to petitions every cycle is broken. The eventuality of our current state is one guild taking over uncontested - it happens every time. If competition is the goal the only way to ensure it is to remove the eventuality of the one guild monopoly, and K1C1 does just that. Everything else has always lead to the same result.

Don't be fooled, the people who don't want K1C1 don't really want competition - they want their turn at pixel lordship.

[greasemonk]

Originally Posted by Naethyn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Don't be fooled, the people who don't want K1C1 don't really want competition - they want their turn at pixel lordship.

These mother fuckers need Jesus.