Game Mechanics: Main hand damage bonus is affecting bow damage

[Tune]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have tested this bug thoroughly, and main hand damage bonus does seem to affect bows.

I've not tested it on thrown items yet.

I'm yet to find evidence either way on how it worked in era.

If we want this to be fixed, we have to find evidence that the current iteration departs from classic.

i mean i know u guys are big on evidence but this make absolutely NO sense

If u can find firing squads of 10x ogres on zlandicar in a classic screen shot u can keep it

[Nirgon]

There's no way your main hand bonus should be applied to ranged weps and bows.

Some of the hardest archery damage I took on RZ, oddly enough, was from a rogue using a primal bow. Was like 70-80 a shot, not sure which arrows but probably basic ones.

Given he had a ragebringer main hand and troll warriors with warrior epic etc doing the same or less with the primal bow... kinda proves this one out.

[ricquire]

All things aside the concept makes no sense. 100 flat dmg increase to min/max dmg (on non miss) on a high speed bow with spellhaste/worn haste/quiver makes jousting and casters nearly irrelevant.

The fact that the PVE potential hasn't been fully fleshed out is only because red doesn't have numbers, and blue has overwhelming numbers. The problem still potentially exists for it to be abused PVE.

If red got the same attention blue got for bugs fixes, this would be an issue.

The only reason the concept is being discussed as a PVE issue to so it would be solved across the board fixing the PVP issue.

[Baugi]

Originally Posted by Tune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

lol talk about gas lighting

u mean to tell me he hit this mob 7 times?

DMG to PC: 5261

Do you need an explanation of the CT fight or something?

Be honest, this has nothing to do with PVE.

[Beatnix]

2016 tlp discussion of bow damage says there is no damage bonus.
https://forums.daybreakgames.com/eq/...lation.233703/

Bewts
Augur
Oh, and my base math was bad. 43 + 11 + 4 is 58, not 59. Just makes the numbers worse, so the point stands.

As a comparison of weapons:

Twisted Steel Bastard Sword is 53/45
War Bow of Rallos Zek plus arrow is 58/45
Bewts, Jun 29, 2016#5
EQcleric
Elder
Do bows have damage bonus? You would need to factor that into the melee hits.
EQcleric, Jun 29, 2016#6
taliefer
Augur
bows have no damage bonus
taliefer, Jun 29, 2016#7
Dafootfistway
Lorekeeper
Bow damage is probably one of the saddest things about Rangers on TLP.

I mean, their regular damage is pretty sad as well, per recent Reddit posts of logs and such, but bis bows being largely unusable for DPS is just icing on the cake.

[Jimjam]

There was a big revamp of how melee hits worked post classic. Sadly that source is not of correct era.

[Beatnix]

https://wiki.project1999.com/Skill_Archery

A Ranger using an Exquisite_Velium_Reinforced_Bow and CLASS_2_Steel_Silver_Tip_Arrow is effectively using a 38/36 two hander with 340 range, without damage bonus or double attack. That is still not very good DPS, but the Trueshot discipline slightly more than doubles Ranger bow damage for 2 minutes. With that added, it becomes approximately equivalent to a 38/36 two hander that always double attacks, can crit and doesn't have a damage bonus.

[Tune]

Originally Posted by Baugi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

DMG to PC: 5261

Do you need an explanation of the CT fight or something?

Be honest, this has nothing to do with PVE.

not sure what u are trying to say here but u are beat into a corner by everyone and just look stupid on this thread

he hit the mob 7 times for 100 damage each hit (thats a minimum hit of 100, lul)

granted he missed 4 times

so u are saying he had 7 dps

that means those 11 swings took him 100 seconds to execute?

i think u need to check that parser again bub

[Tune]

with how fast u can click a fast bow with quiver and spell haste

with predator, avatar, all the accuracy buffs

id be much more inclined to believe 60-80 dps which is right on par with primal rogs, during some fights

the reason this gets thrown off is bc the damage bonus affects the MINIMUM hit, which is really powerful

and the added fact u can do this without aggro, or being in range to aoes, makes the game seem really stupid

it just compounds the stupiditiy of this in pvp

[Baugi]

Originally Posted by Beatnix [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

https://wiki.project1999.com/Skill_Archery

A Ranger using an Exquisite_Velium_Reinforced_Bow and CLASS_2_Steel_Silver_Tip_Arrow is effectively using a 38/36 two hander with 340 range, without damage bonus or double attack. That is still not very good DPS, but the Trueshot discipline slightly more than doubles Ranger bow damage for 2 minutes. With that added, it becomes approximately equivalent to a 38/36 two hander that always double attacks, can crit and doesn't have a damage bonus.

The P99 wiki is not an appropriate source either. You might want to consult this help thread - https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...ead.php?t=5570

Originally Posted by Tune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

not sure what u are trying to say here

"DMG to PC" indicates damage done to the player. Your assumption (stated as fact) that "u can do this without aggro" is wrong... and bizarre.