Do you believe in fatalism or free will?

[kjs86z2]

things happen for a reason but if you dont put yourself in the position for success / happiness / whatever in the first place you're just capping yourself at the knees

[NopeNopeNopeNope]

Originally Posted by shovelquest [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

To put it in EQ terms, I think life is like everquest.

You /random on COF's all the time, but never win one. Then some dude shows up after playing for 3 months and wins one and next thing you know he's like BIS in your guild, but is also a total retard.

You say, "I have bad luck on randoms" and someone who also has bad luck on randoms is like, "It's not luck, here's the study that proves it."

And I grit my teeth and nod.

In most things, I think the old saying holds true: luck is when preparation meets opportunity

Now obviously this doesn’t apply as much to a completely luck-based event, like the pull of a slot machine (or I can’t really say pull anymore since it’s all buttons now lol. The push of a slot machine button). You didn’t really prepare anything other than your bet, that is completely a luck based outcome

But say meeting a girl that could turn into a future relationship. Preparation would be putting oneself together, having one’s shit in order in life, and on a more micro and less macro level, having groomed oneself to an acceptable standard that day…

…you meet the girl. You feel confident because you have prepared in a good life position, you feel confident because you groomed yourself that day. And so you ask her out. Or she asks you out. Or you guys have to talk for some reason and eventually it comes up in some way going out on a date

That opportunity required prep to succeed, most likely. Had you been miserable, un-hygienic, etc, a girl of the standards you would actually want would reject you

Could do the same scenario for a new job opportunity and a million other things. Even a windfall such as inheriting some huge sum of money requires the prep of paying attention to that. For example, what if the summons to civil court to claim the money came in the mail and an unprepared person threw it away?

So this is why I like to hold to that saying

[shovelquest]

What if I told you I can believe in fatalism fully a 100% and still go out running in the morning and working out at home.

I might argue that you think you believe in it, but deep down you believe in something bigger.

Like maybe, what simulates the simulation? Perhaps?

Originally Posted by NopeNopeNopeNope [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In most things, I think the old saying holds true: luck is when preparation meets opportunity

Hmm, too bad I was unlucky enough to have only heard this 30 years too late? 🤣

[SorenVC]

An enemy in Everquest only dies when you press Q on your keyboard while standing in front of it. So you are fated to go near it and press Q. That's all fatalism is and I believe in it. These free will guys think too complicated. You will never figure out what free will is because it doesn't really exist.

[NopeNopeNopeNope]

Originally Posted by SorenVC [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What if I told you I can believe in fatalism fully a 100% and still go out running in the morning and working out at home. That's what I did since 1st March and I'll try continue to do it. In fact, belief in fatalism makes me calm and I always loved feeling calm because I am timid and nervous. If at all this fatalism makes me stronger! Fatalism does appear to make you pessimistic and lazy but the longer you believe in it, the less effect it has on you other than making you calm and dispassionate. And trust me, being dispassionate is much better than being passionate, because Satan is passionate and God is dispassionate.

You LEARN next to nothing from your successes like a good workout. You grow physically and mentally healthier, your brain’s capacity to learn improves and I guess to a small degree you develop better kinesiology and mind-muscle connection. So you learn about that activity to a small degree

You learn loads from failures. Even from a workout perspective. You will learn much more about everything you want to know performance-wise, from trying to get a certain place or time in a race and failing. What was the weakest link? “Oh, my legs got tired at mile 3” “Oh I was sapped of energy completely halfway through”. Countless lessons about leg strength and meal prep (which is sort of unique for each person), for example, in that failure event

We learn and grow far more from failures than successes, or at least we have the capacity to grow far more. The growth itself depends on what takeaways you get from an experience

And learning what to takeaway from an experience, what label to slap on it as it is filed away in your memory banks, is far more useful than trying “to turn off passion” or some weird shit. We are not Vulcan lol

[SorenVC]

Originally Posted by NopeNopeNopeNope [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You LEARN next to nothing from your successes like a good workout. You grow physically and mentally healthier, your brain’s capacity to learn improves and I guess to a small degree you develop better kinesiology and mind-muscle connection. So you learn about that activity to a small degree

You learn loads from failures. Even from a workout perspective. You will learn much more about everything you want to know performance-wise, from trying to get a certain place or time in a race and failing. What was the weakest link? “Oh, my legs got tired at mile 3” “Oh I was sapped of energy completely halfway through”. Countless lessons about leg strength and meal prep (which is sort of unique for each person), for example, in that failure event

We learn and grow far more from failures than successes, or at least we have the capacity to grow far more. The growth itself depends on what takeaways you get from an experience

And learning what to takeaway from an experience, what label to slap on it as it is filed away in your memory banks, is far more useful than trying “to turn off passion” or some weird shit. We are not Vulcan lol

I don't understand what you're trying to say but all I want to achieve by working out is to look like Ichigo when he faced Aizen. Because Ichigo looked like a strong man and had a perfect body... I don't want to look like Arnold Schwarzenegger. I want to look like Ichigo when he faced Aizen!

My mind wants to achieve this so that's why I go running outside in the morning and working out at home. To be honest I was never in a gym and I don't like the atmosphere there with those other people. I fear other humans and due to my father's impact on me this will never change. I don't want to sound like a victim but my father did have some impact on me.

Fatalism for me is like the sweetest honey. Just letting go of all your pride to control things and let go of all control and let things be as they are. Let criminals do criminal things and let saints be saints. That's all fatalism is saying. I'd rather be a fatalist that has nothing to do with criminals because fatalism turns you into a saint. You can't do anything wrong if you don't do anything bad. Fatalism doesn't force you to do evil things like what free will does.

This criminal committed heinous acts? Let's put him into prison! While fatalism just accepts everything as it is, and does not care about punishing anyone. I think that's why free will followers prefer free will, because they want to punish people. Fatalism takes away the need to punish people because we know bad people already are in a bad state of mind and feel pain, that's why they commit crime!

Fatalism just accepts everything as it is and doesn't try to change anything. It is like a tree that is being cut down and does nothing to stop it. It is pure peace of mind.

[NopeNopeNopeNope]

I was just using it as an analogy. I’ll adjust based on your goals. I’m assuming you want to look like this person in some time frame. So the failure event would be that not happening. You take a picture of yourself, let’s say a year later, hold it next to the anime guy or whoever it is, and you look rather worse (although it could be a tough comparison since that is an artist’s rendering and not an actual human). So rather than learn, what do I need to do to improve my physical aesthetics? What new exercises do I need to research, how can I improve my diet and training? Instead you go, welp! Wasn’t in the cards! And give up?

Letting go of your agency in life is a recipe for misery. You will go through with no locus of control, and substitute pride for confidence. You will have no confidence because you believe you control nothing. Everything just happens TO you. When really things happen FOR you, in life

So you will not grow, you will have no confidence, and you will have to incorporate an ever-growing multitude of problems into the “things I’m trying to not care about” mental existentialism tricks

You do you, but it’s not for me [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[shovelquest]

Originally Posted by SorenVC [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

An enemy in Everquest only dies when you press Q on your keyboard while standing in front of it. So you are fated to go near it and press Q. That's all fatalism is and I believe in it. These free will guys think too complicated. You will never figure out what free will is because it doesn't really exist.

Q-anon was right.

[SorenVC]

Originally Posted by NopeNopeNopeNope [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I was just using it as an analogy. I’ll adjust based on your goals. I’m assuming you want to look like this person in some time frame. So the failure event would be that not happening. You take a picture of yourself, let’s say a year later, hold it next to the anime guy or whoever it is, and you look rather worse (although it could be a tough comparison since that is an artist’s rendering and not an actual human). So rather than learn, what do I need to do to improve my physical aesthetics? What new exercises do I need to research, how can I improve my diet and training? Instead you go, welp! Wasn’t in the cards! And give up?

Letting go of your agency in life is a recipe for misery. You will go through with no locus of control, and substitute pride for confidence. You will have no confidence because you believe you control nothing. Everything just happens TO you. When really things happen FOR you, in life

So you will not grow, you will have no confidence, and you will have to incorporate an ever-growing multitude of problems into the “things I’m trying to not care about” mental existentialism tricks

You do you, but it’s not for me [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You just described an LGBTQ person, not a fatalist. A fatalist will shrug off anything and be content with what he has. He will try to improve his position and be good towards all people, even criminals, as Jesus would. But in the end hopefully we will all be judged so that everyone realizes the mistake in his choices. Although if our choice was fated there might be no judgement. I do not know how life works okay. I'm just betting all cards on fatalism because I have no choice. Fatalism truly makes me happy. If I choose Iksar it is because they are the loneliest race and only socialize within their own circles. They are LIKE me. That's why I like the lizard people.

[SorenVC]

Originally Posted by shovelquest [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Q-anon was right.

Who is Q-anon? What do you mean? That's an abbreviation?