Game Mechanics: Evidence that bind wound shouldn't be possible while being attacked

[Dolalin]

Are you saying mcoy or I edited the logs?

I just want to make sure that's what you're implying before we go any further.

[Brocode]

Originally Posted by Dolalin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Are you saying mcoy or I edited the logs?

I just want to make sure that's what you're implying before we go any further.

Cant prove you did, cant prove you didnt. Just saying its possible, not the best trustworth source.

[Dolalin]

The devs got these logs years ago. Mcoy wouldn't have known what to edit in advance.

Desperate stuff, really.

[Dolalin]

More classic evidence off the EQMonks mailing list.

https://groups.yahoo.com/api/v1/grou...s/messages/186

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Message ID: 186
Date: Fri Jul 30 03:22:12 BST 1999
Author: Mike Lehr
Subject: Re: Monk Armor and the short end of the stick


I think that you are right on everything, except that as a melee class you
should have been skilling bind wound throughout all of your levels (what
else are you going to waste money on) Anyways... if that mob isn't attacking
you, you can heal for like 20-30 HP (skill lvl 70-130) a pop..

But i do believe you are right we need to be able to use mend on other
people... like paladins can use lay hands on other people.

https://groups.yahoo.com/api/v1/grou.../messages/1550

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Message ID: 1550
Date:
Author: Jnglskypwr@aol.com
Subject: Bind Wound now goes to 201


Well, I'm about halfway through 51, have had my bind wound skill capped at 200 for quite awhile prior expansion. Then last night, BAM! Got it to 201, which now allows me to bandage anybody to 70% hps at 75 hps a bandage. KICK ASS SKILL! I can't emphasized this enough. This means when soloing or grouping w/o a healer type, we can get MAX hps from 1 hp after a fight in at very most, 6 min. Just bandage up to 70% (can get higher, just can't bandage after you've past the 70% line) and then hit mend, tah dah, full hps. Just wanted to let all you guys know what's in store for us [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.])


Kanja
Rodcet Nife

[Daldaen]

Wow some compelling evidence here that any melee hit should interrupt bind wound attempts.

[Nirgon]

Crazy that you should be able to bind wound while being hit here lol

I think sit/stand would break the bind too, which is what people are doing (/stand then fight while binding)

[Kirdan]

Bump, this bug affects each server and the evidence is quite compelling. Combat bind wound should not work unless nothing hits you. This is one of the least classic parts of p99.

[Dolalin]

I was looking at the Bind Wound code in EQEmu and it looks like a bit of a pain in the arse to modify. It's not set up to be 'interruptible'. Ideally you'd have a combat hit check that whether the player were in a "Binding Wound" state and interrupt that state. But it seems in EQEmu the bind wound process is simply timer driven? I'm no C++ guru though. That's probably why this hasn't been fixed yet I'm guessing, P99's code is probably mostly the same.

https://github.com/EQEmu/Server/blob...ient.cpp#L2767

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Crazy that you should be able to bind wound while being hit here lol

I think sit/stand would break the bind too, which is what people are doing (/stand then fight while binding)

When we get round to fixing this we need to make sure looting and exiting the loot screen also interupts bind (as it forces a stand... it was how i originally had the eureka moment when i discovered this trick long ago).

[jolanar]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Does anyone, in the entire project, remember people self-binding wounds in fights? No? Then I think this one ought to be "evidence of binding wounds in combat is required to keep this functionality; without it P99 ditches it" rather than just assuming everyone who played the game in '99-'01 was an idiot.

I think since no one remembers it the default assumption, if no evidence turns up, should be that it wasn't possible. And surely if it was possible there'd be some instance of it in some log from EQMac or something?

This is the best logic for this. Nobody back in the day did this. There is ZERO evidence it was a thing. This alone should make it so that it gets removed from P99.

Too bad the devs aren't passionate about this project anymore.