most underpowered class in game?

[Windez]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I disagree. A game like Everquest is about character progression. That is the primary drive to play the game other than the social aspects. A class who's flaw is they stop progressing earlier than every other class is unforgivable. The exception is if you are specifically a player who enjoys leveling a character, but never wants to play their character once they reach high 50s or level 60. I would venture that this isn't the majority of players, based on how many high level characters are playing.

None of that has anything to do with their relative power level, which is what is being discussed here.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Windez [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

None of that has anything to do with their relative power level, which is what is being discussed here.

It does, because power level is the very reason why they stop progressing earlier than every other class. If they were more powerful (such as having Utility and CC), they would be able to progress further.

[Windez]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It does, because power level is the very reason why they stop progressing earlier than every other class. If they were more powerful (such as having Utility and CC), they would be able to progress further.

No it doesn't. It just means they can get to their (effectively) maximum power value faster and easier than other classes. I doesn't change that value in any way.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Windez [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No it doesn't. It just means they can get to their (effectively) maximum power value faster and easier than other classes. I doesn't change that value in any way.

It does, because their maximum power is lower than other classes. Capping early doesn't mean they are better than other classes. It just means they can't progress to the next level because of their limitations.

Leveling quickly means nothing if you have nothing to do once you finish.

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Leveling quickly means nothing if you have nothing to do once you finish.

but the mage's power is levelling quickly, farming pp for a twink class.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

but the mage's power is levelling quickly, farming pp for a twink class.

Other classes have that power too, so it doesn't make Mages special. Necromancers can farm PP just fine and have a higher ceiling at higher levels.

For Mages it just means you are leveling a character to stop playing them when you have a better character. That's pretty underpowered, since a better class could just get their own stuff[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Or you would want to play a better class past a Mage, such as a Rogue.

[Windez]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It does, because their maximum power is lower than other classes. Capping early doesn't mean they are better than other classes. It just means they can't progress to the next level because of their limitations.

Leveling quickly means nothing if you have nothing to do once you finish.

Never said whether their maximum power is higher or lower than any other class.
Never said capping early means they are better than other classes.
Never said anything about leveling quickly.

I said, how fast they can get to maximum value has no effect on that value itself.

If the value is 500 it doesn't get lowered to 400 because other classes get to 600 later. It's still 500.

So, your point that "people play this game for progression" does not matter to what that value number is.

So, in a comparison of overall (i.e. taking all aspects of the game into account) power level of classes, we can ignore a rogue's lack of soloing ability (which is a fairly important aspect of the game to many people), we can also ignore a mage's late game mediocrity.
Really we should ignore neither, but if you want to make an arbitrary exception, then everyone else gets to make one too.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Windez [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Never said whether their maximum power is higher or lower than any other class.
Never said capping early means they are better than other classes.
Never said anything about leveling quickly.

I said, how fast they can get to maximum value has no effect on that value itself.

If the value is 500 it doesn't get lowered to 400 because other classes get to 600 later. It's still 500.

So, your point that "people play this game for progression" does not matter to what that value number is.

So, in a comparison of overall (i.e. taking all aspects of the game into account) power level of classes, we can ignore a rogue's lack of soloing ability (which is a fairly important aspect of the game to many people), we can also ignore a mage's late game mediocrity.
Really we should ignore neither, but if you want to make an arbitrary exception, then everyone else gets to make one too.

The exceptions are not arbitrary. They are based on how people actually play the game. People generally don't solo on Rogues most of the time, because they understand Rogues are group dependent. If soloing is important to a player, they have a solo class they can use when they can't find a group on their Rogue.

The problem is you assume late game is not valuable. That is why you think you can ignore a Mage's late game mediocrity. The purpose of leveling is to get to late game, so you can't ignore it.

The question OP asked is not "most underpowered leveling class".

[Castle2.0]

No one has the power of level 4 mage.

[PatChapp]

Originally Posted by Castle2.0 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No one has the power of level 4 mage.

Yeah mage is s tier up to 55ish, still boring to play but very powerful.

Solid d after that