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Old 10-08-2020, 10:16 PM
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I would prefer endless waves of conventional bombers, landing at Diego Garcia and rearming and flying right back.

It's 4773km between Mecca and Diego Garcia, doubled for round trip is 9546 we will round that up to 10k for time over target and. We have 58 B-52s in service, that's one B-52 every 172km.

A B-52 travels at around 844km per hour, which means one B-52 will arrive over Mecca every 12 minutes and 30 seconds with 10,000 lbs of love.

Maybe less, figure 8,000 lbs of bombs to avoid refueling.
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Old 10-09-2020, 12:51 AM
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Azerbaijan has not released it's casualty figures, which I personally believe to be much much higher.
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Old 10-09-2020, 01:04 AM
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I would prefer endless waves of conventional bombers, landing at Diego Garcia and rearming and flying right back.

It's 4773km between Mecca and Diego Garcia, doubled for round trip is 9546 we will round that up to 10k for time over target and. We have 58 B-52s in service, that's one B-52 every 172km.

A B-52 travels at around 844km per hour, which means one B-52 will arrive over Mecca every 12 minutes and 30 seconds with 10,000 lbs of love.

Maybe less, figure 8,000 lbs of bombs to avoid refueling.
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Old 10-12-2020, 10:57 AM
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https://vk.com/video-34740837_456265661
https://vk.com/video-34740837_456265643

Watch these two videos that Azerbaijan released showing strikes on Armenian positions.

See the hovering targeting drone bringing in a strike with pin-point accuracy. Watch as the expensive military equipment goes bye-bye. Do you see the soldiers running with like a second's warning that something bad is about to happen? Yeah, they don't make it.

This is the main interesting thing about this:

Both Armenia and Azerbaijan are garbage countries with garbage militaries. I don't want to insult them, but they're both third-rate players. Neither are known for anything except for irregulars, artillery duels, and a bit of ethnic cleansing.

Remember the last 'war' that took place there was 1994. It was decidedly a low-tech affair. Sure, tons of people died but it was very conventional and most of it wasn't on film.

Fast forward 16 years.

Only 16 years.

Now Azerbaijan, who are still a garbage country with a garbage military, field commercially-available yet precise and deadly drones that allow guided munitions to be deposited on a target the size of an apple.

This is the future of warfare my friends. Third, maybe even fourth-rate entities are going to be able to swarm the enemy with cheap drones.

If you don't have an air-defense system that can take out swarms of drones, you ain't gonna be able to project power worth of shit. I'm not sure what the US capability is there, but the current Russian air-defense systems (the ones most likely to be used by third-party combatants) are not very good against drones:

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“The analyst explains his position primarily by the fact that the S-300 and S-400 systems have low efficiency in the fight against small drones, objects at lower altitude or objects with low RCS and this is more likely a task for anti-aircraft installations and short-range air defense systems like the Pantsir” – Igor Konashenkov, spokesman for the Russian Ministry of Defense. Igor Konashenkov refrained commenting on repeated success by Israeli and Turkish drones in defeating Pantsir and Buk
https://www.globaldefensecorp.com/20...nes-heres-why/
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Old 10-12-2020, 11:10 AM
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Speaking of military innovation, not everything has to be super-high tech. Sometimes it's just a simple idea.

The USMC have this artillery system, the HIMARS:

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Normally they land this thing amphibiously and have it support the troops:

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You know what those lazy leathernecks did? They said fuck it, why don't we just strap it down to the deck and fire it off from there:

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A detachment of Marines with Camp Pendleton, Calif.-based 5th Battalion, 11th Marines, set up the vehicle-borne launch system on the flight deck of amphibious transport dock USS Anchorage (LPD-23). Programmed with information about the objective – suspected enemy air defenses – on a nearby island, the HIMARS launcher fired off a rocket at a target 70 kilometers away.

Target destroyed, officials said.

The missile strike, coming during the biannual amphibious task force exercise Dawn Blitz off southern California, marked a big first for the Navy and the Marine Corps.

“The ability to project power from and at sea is critical,” Lt. Col. Tom Savage, operations officer with 1st Marine Expeditionary Brigade, told a small group of journalists at a briefing aboard USS Essex, the flagship for the exercise.
“It’s a significant capability.”
https://news.usni.org/2017/10/24/mar...xperiment-navy

Edit: notice in that gif, the sea is rolling. Still target destroyed. Noice.
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Old 10-12-2020, 11:15 AM
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https://vk.com/video-34740837_456265661
https://vk.com/video-34740837_456265643

Watch these two videos that Azerbaijan released showing strikes on Armenian positions.

See the hovering targeting drone bringing in a strike with pin-point accuracy. Watch as the expensive military equipment goes bye-bye. Do you see the soldiers running with like a second's warning that something bad is about to happen? Yeah, they don't make it.

This is the main interesting thing about this:

Both Armenia and Azerbaijan are garbage countries with garbage militaries. I don't want to insult them, but they're both third-rate players. Neither are known for anything except for irregulars, artillery duels, and a bit of ethnic cleansing.

Remember the last 'war' that took place there was 1994. It was decidedly a low-tech affair. Sure, tons of people died but it was very conventional and most of it wasn't on film.

Fast forward 16 years.

Only 16 years.

Now Azerbaijan, who are still a garbage country with a garbage military, field commercially-available yet precise and deadly drones that allow guided munitions to be deposited on a target the size of an apple.

This is the future of warfare my friends. Third, maybe even fourth-rate entities are going to be able to swarm the enemy with cheap drones.

If you don't have an air-defense system that can take out swarms of drones, you ain't gonna be able to project power worth of shit. I'm not sure what the US capability is there, but the current Russian air-defense systems (the ones most likely to be used by third-party combatants) are not very good against drones:


https://www.globaldefensecorp.com/20...nes-heres-why/
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Old 10-12-2020, 11:27 AM
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some nasty videos there bud, poor bastards
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Old 10-12-2020, 05:28 PM
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https://vk.com/video-34740837_456265661
https://vk.com/video-34740837_456265643

Watch these two videos that Azerbaijan released showing strikes on Armenian positions.

See the hovering targeting drone bringing in a strike with pin-point accuracy. Watch as the expensive military equipment goes bye-bye. Do you see the soldiers running with like a second's warning that something bad is about to happen? Yeah, they don't make it.

This is the main interesting thing about this:

Both Armenia and Azerbaijan are garbage countries with garbage militaries. I don't want to insult them, but they're both third-rate players. Neither are known for anything except for irregulars, artillery duels, and a bit of ethnic cleansing.

Remember the last 'war' that took place there was 1994. It was decidedly a low-tech affair. Sure, tons of people died but it was very conventional and most of it wasn't on film.

Fast forward 16 years.

Only 16 years.

Now Azerbaijan, who are still a garbage country with a garbage military, field commercially-available yet precise and deadly drones that allow guided munitions to be deposited on a target the size of an apple.

This is the future of warfare my friends. Third, maybe even fourth-rate entities are going to be able to swarm the enemy with cheap drones.

If you don't have an air-defense system that can take out swarms of drones, you ain't gonna be able to project power worth of shit. I'm not sure what the US capability is there, but the current Russian air-defense systems (the ones most likely to be used by third-party combatants) are not very good against drones:


https://www.globaldefensecorp.com/20...nes-heres-why/
That would be 26 years math whizz

But yeah, your point is well taken. Israel and the United States have the capability. Israel’s is already deployed

Iran used a drone swarm to hit the Saudi oil refinery, they couldn’t knock them down. As for the current Azeri dog’s actions in Armenia, trump should declare a no fly zone and bomb the Turks and Azeris back to the Stone Age
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Old 10-12-2020, 06:21 PM
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What does a Marine amphibious unit usually roll with in terms of a naval escort? Is 70km a long reach for those warships or something? Strapping a mobile launcher to a Ro-Ro seems like a bubblegum-and-baling-wire approach.
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Old 10-12-2020, 06:30 PM
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pretty sure they shot a cruise missile not a drone missile at the refinery
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