Awakened 30 day

[Erati]

Originally Posted by Endonde [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Just to play devil's advocate here, just because awakened conceded fesh Doesn't mean csg isn't screwed over. Even if awakened conceded csg could lose both the mob they were engaged with and the mob that was conceded, so the guild that loses the most is the one who did nothing wrong.

3 guilds at entrance is bad.

The point is, what more can we be done when:

A. Concede all mobs that we messed up on
B. Do not know CSG elevated the issue to petition
C. Do not control the will of the other guilds competing for Eashen
D. Am not allowed to then pull Eashen ( a mob we conceded ) to help 'make up' for potentially costing them a kill.
E. Am not allowed to then DPS Eashen ( a mob we conceded ) to help 'make up' for potentially costing them a kill.
F. If we offer 2 Feshlak and 2 Eashen, as Culk says, AM will simply kill them how does that help CSG

So nice attempt Endonde :P

[Csihar]

Maybe now is the time to actually talk to each other. Outside of the RNF swamp. As long as the intention is to understand where each person is coming from.

[smitho1984]

Originally Posted by Culkasi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also, "conceding" doesn't work in a 3+ guild environment. A/A can just concede the next 2-4 of whatever when they screw up because the other guild will accept that with 99.9% certainty they will be killing said mob on the next 2-4 cycles. If Awakened concedes Feshlak, what the fuck does that do for CSG? Tell me the odds of CSG killing even one of the next 2-4 Feshlaks that Aftermath know Awakened has conceded.
No, thats right, I thought so.

You have the biggest guild on the server.. combine already and step up. Quit playing this meak "we cant compete mentality", its getting old at this point. Play like you have a set of balls, it's sad they call you a leader.

[Check12345]

Originally Posted by Culkasi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Culk wasn't around that day, but its a question been raised many times in the past, both in conversations with leadership and staff, and also on 1-2-1 basis, though not with Eratani to be fair to him.

So there was nothing else AW could have done for this incident then?

I’m just baffled why a ‘let’s get them suspended’ petition went in other than spite.

Well they sure showed us!

Jeepers Scoob!

[Breaken]

As usual, CSG has no clue what is going on, but staff babies them.

1) We didn't flop Feshlak on you. Wow, you got an FTE message, so we must have! Or, the actual incident, that our tagger died and he then went for the next person. Heads up, our tagger wasn't an FD'able class. So, check that off your list.

2) Kelzaraz had nothing to do with this train. See above.

3) I didn't know it was Awakened's fault that the raid rules do not cater to 3+ raid guilds. Server rules state that if you train someone, you concede. We did just that. Apparently, that isn't enough, even though the rules say it is.

[Argh]

Good to see the old Taken braintrust is still braindead.

[Baler]

lol at these AW or AM people talking shit about csg.
just sad.

[thebutthat]

Originally Posted by topgun1027 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

30 days is just ridiculous. No guild suspension should be that long.

After watching Sirken's last stream, there's no reasoning with him. He wants guilds to crawl through ToV to dragons. So anytime someone isn't doing it that way, and there's any minor or major infraction, there will be a raid ban. Eventually they'll 60 day ban the entire raid scene and it'll be Lord Bob running the show with their open raid nights, everyone will hold hands...and all will be merry. Until sirken gets bored and raid bans them because there alliance name violates the naming policy.

[Legday]

Originally Posted by Check12345 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So there was nothing else AW could have done for this incident then?

I’m just baffled why a ‘let’s get them suspended’ petition went in other than spite.

Well they sure showed us!

Jeepers Scoob!

I think CSG actually thought petitions lead to ice cream parties, so not sure if you're serious or not.

[Culkasi]

Originally Posted by Check12345 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So there was nothing else AW could have done for this incident then?

I’m just baffled why a ‘let’s get them suspended’ petition went in other than spite.

Well they sure showed us!

Jeepers Scoob!

Awakened could have not been there in the first place (left zone after conceding)
Awakened could have waited to pull Feshlak till after CSG had killed Eashen and vacated the space
Awakened could have done the two above on the countless times variations of this has happened in the past
Awakened could have been more open to not have 2 guilds kill 95% of the raid content for months and months on end.

You are right. After the train, Awakened couldn't do much - damage already done, a lot of our casual people wasted 90 minutes of their time, and Awakened doesn't really have anything to offer to recompense that - they don't "own" any content they could give us, and as Eratani says they are not allowed to help us with Eashen.