NPC Push

[Ennewi]

Originally Posted by Detoxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yet they changed DN spiders to summon based on one post from Allakhazam 20 years ago. No logs, no Video, no Patch notes. That is cherry picking.

A change which came with the condition that it would be reverted if more evidence was provided to the contrary. That change was however shown to be classic.


https://web.archive.org/web/20010805...icID=364.topic

Vlieke
Registered User
Posts: 49
(7/9/01 4:44:28 pm)

Raids
Very soon we will start raiding higher level dungeons, etc. How exciting! Thought it might be worthwhile to share some info I found on posts regarding the topic. By no means am I trying to lay out rules here, simply trying to keep the topic in the forefront because soon it will be a big part of what we do.

Here are some rules for raids, if you are not the leader:

1. Show up, on time, prepared (equipment, maps, resist gear, potions, gems for symbols, fish scales, coffins, etc)).
2. Join the group you are assigned.
3. Be helpful: Buff others (but ask them first).
4. Follow instructions.
5. DO NOT EXPLORE or wander. Stay with the group or in your assigned place.
6. Before raid starts, determine the following and make hotkeys:
- primary assist hotkey
- secondary assist hotkey
- "add" assist hotkey
- special raid hotkeys ("Assist Locz on %t", "Snared %t", "Peeling %t", "Parking %t, back off!", "Incoming %t", "%t has been slowed", "Kiting %t", etc).
- determine the raid-only channel for instructions
- determine the "chat" channel
- name of loot leader
- name of enchanter giving haste
- name of enchanter giving clarity
- name of persons giving focus / DMF / aegiolism / etc
7. get buffed in the proper buff order (junk and lesser buffs first)
8. LISTEN to instructions.
19. FOLLOW instructions.
10. Don't harass the raid leader / puller / peeler / assist people with tells. They are too busy.
11. Don't whine about experience. The purpose of a raid is not experience (thats a "grind" group). Groups are specifically arranged to maximize kill effectiveness, not for divvying up experience evenly.
12. Don't loot unless told to.
13. When fighting:
- follow instructions.
- always assist. Never attack unless you assist. (take personal initiative only when assists have died and announce to others your action using a hotkey / you are told otherwise / dire circumstances require it).
- don't sit just before the pull (MOB may aggro you).
- turn off auto-attack if the MOB enrages. (enrage = autoriposte)
- usually best to keep the chanter's alive (it is OK to emergency heal them)
- learn to "push" caster/healer MOBs so that their casting gets interrupted. This means all tanks but rogues fight on the same side and vector, pushing the MOB backwards, and switch sides as told by the main assist. This technique also makes the raid rogues far more effective.
- avoid aggroing secondary MOBs into the fight.
- only the raid leader calls for "clerics camp" if a wipeout seems possible.
- announce specifically important events: key LDs, key deaths, MOB AE cast times, snare in, emergency heal needs (if your clerics are dead).
- casters only nuke within aggro radius, and after the tanks have secured aggro, to avoid "ping ponging"
- don't push the MOB through a wall, or off a bridge, etc.
14. Group leaders announce mana level /preparedness after the fight.
15. NEVER, EVER, train the camp. Die instead.

Hope this summarizes well.
-----------------------------------------------------------

Ok, Vlieke here again. I hope that info was helpful and thought-provoking. As you can see, some groups take a rather militaristic approach to raids, I suppose with good reason. I don't think such a hard-ass approach is inherently necessary, but GOOD ORGANIZATION and PREPARATION is. I would think that pre-raid briefs will be necessary, as well as post-raid debriefs. Sure, they might be boring, but they are a great tool for learning and refining.

For the most part, we've all been either soloing or fighting in smaller (6 or less) guild groups for the duration of our characters' existence(s). Fairly soon this will change, and I have no doubt it will be enjoyable for VF, and our guild will begin to prosper and solidify even more.

Please share your thoughts here. I know Raloth, the High Council and other Officers and members of the guild are interested in getting our raid thang going.

P.S.S. If we need raid leaders, I humbly volunteer.

V.V.

https://web.archive.org/web/20020318...icID=938.topic

Rotep of Lanys
Steel Warrior Contributor
Posts: 23
(12/16/01 7:47:45 am)
Reply
Community Supporter
mob pushing-what is it?
I never heard of this term before. What does it mean to "push a mob"?
Haldainas
knows that Warriors are Superior
Posts: 30
(12/16/01 8:49:48 am)
Reply Re: mob pushing-what is it?
Some high level mobs cannot be interupted by normal stuns and such, giants in kael are a good example. So to imterpt the complete heals, everyone gets on one side of the mob and "pushes" it. As you hit it, it will move back some and most of the time interupt casting, This also works on ToV mobs and other high level encounters.
Haldainas Eviencar

Aeril Droigheann
is a Seasoned Veteran
Posts: 262
(12/17/01 12:56:59 pm)
Reply Re: mob pushing-what is it?
The biggest importance is just positioning. A lot of AE fights have walls that you can hide the casters behind to prevent them from being hit by it. In these situations, it's important to keep the mob from moving beyond the corner so it's AE doesn't hit the casters. If you don't have enough damage to make up for CH/gate then you probably won't have enough to push reliably for an interrupt.
Aeryl Firebrand, Warlord
Aeril Droigheann, 59 Preserver, Semi-Retired
Aerul Cuinnsear, 48 Rogue, Semi-Retired
Undaunted, Xegony

Crayno
knows that Warriors are Superior
Posts: 80
(12/18/01 7:05:19 am)
Reply Re: mob pushing-what is it?
Tried some mob pushing in Kael yesterday,didn't interrupt a single spell [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
May the wolves guide your path
Crayno Wolffang 59 Myrmidon
May your beard grow long and your ale be cold
Braydoc Lifespark 53 Vicar

Solos Stormreaper
knows that Warriors are Superior
Posts: 11
(12/18/01 6:16:46 pm)
Reply
Re: mob pushing-what is it?
Regular melee damage pushes. If you notice when you get hit by a mob, it pushes you back. This happens to a mob as well, I think based on how much damage you do. I'm guessing it's based off of damage, since I noticed monks can do a lot of pushing with their melee.

What I like to do is flank. Surround the mob. This keeps the mob from moving around so much. Here's a sample diagram:


P
|
M
/ \
P P


In this above diagram, the mob should move towards the meleer doing the least damage, according to my theory. If players are doing the same melee damage, then the mob shouldn't be moving at all, since all the pushing is getting countered.


P
\
P - M - P
/
P


In this above diagram, the mob should definitely be moving towards the right. Though, the amount it's being pushed per second would most likely be the same, if all players are doing equal damage, in this diagram below:


P
> M
P



I also have rarely interupted a giant in Kael from casting a heal. It's not good pushing it into a wall, despite popular belief... I play a shaman and druid and usually run to a corner to gate away from a train and know that the wall will help me channel through the hits. Been able to escape some trains while pulling old Chardok this way.

Quote:
The best way i heard to stop a CH is to mana suck them or whatever the PC term is now


Mana sieve or drain it's mana.
___________________________________
Darin Darkstar - Level 60 Barbarian Warlord
Drackoz Darkstar - Level 60 Barbarian Oracle
Solos Stormreaper - Level 58 Halfling Preserver
- Innoruuk Server
Without Knowledge, Skill cannot be focused. Without Skill, Strength cannot be brought to bear. Without Strength, Knowledge may not be applied.

Turom Toesmasher
knows that Warriors are Superior
Posts: 68
(12/20/01 8:44:17 am)
Reply
Re: mob pushing-what is it?
To push a mob effectively, you really need to stack on the main tank. The main tank needs to steer the mob, by facing the direction you want the mob pushed.

It's important for everyone to understand stacking though, as their will be times that you need to switch sides to push the mob another way.

Pushing definately does interrupt spells... a long time ago, I recall doing Vox... we had 2 chanters, one died almost instantly. Having only one chanter left usually means death with Vox, but we were able to stack and push her around enough to prevent CHs. Ended up taking her down with 21 because of the good pushing.
Frrroooaaakkk!

https://web.archive.org/web/20021120...cID=1035.topic

NitaNita
knows that Warriors are superior
Posts: 76
(7/16/02 4:34:58 pm)
Reply
ezSupporter

Re: Western Wastes Dragons
Some of the dragons are deceptively nasty. Mav Sapara, Von, Mraaka, Glati, probably the rest of the Saparas as well.

This is a great place to practice strategies and tactics you'll use in lategame raiding, such as main tanking, pushing gaters, resisting AEs, and the like.

Amanita

Trayvar
knows that Warriors are superior
Posts: 2
(7/17/02 7:05:46 am)
Reply Re: Western Wastes Dragons
"pushing gaters"

While this works very well for unstunnable mobs mid-game, I really wouldn't suggest it as a great strategy for late-game/end-game mobs. Enchanter sieving works far better, since mobs at that high of a level have such a high channeling skill that they will just regain consentration and continue their casting 99% of the time.

Kael arena, it's been a mixed bag. They regain about 50% of the time from my experiences there. ToV, forget about it. A successful push there has resulted in:

An Ancient Frost Guardian regains consentration and continues it's casting...
An Ancient Frost Guardian gates.

every time I've ever seen it tried.

Enchanters sieving their mana away is the only sure fire method that I've seen work for preventing gaters, other than fighting close enough to their spawn location that is.

End game mobs are even worse than ToV mobs.

It's a good strategy, and will serve you well for a while... but don't expect to ever see it work late and end game.

It's not a strategy to be "practiced" now "for" late/end game, it's a strategy to be "used" now "until" late/end game comes.

Keryath
knows that Warriors are superior
Posts: 36
(8/7/02 12:43:11 pm)
Reply Re: Western Wastes Dragons
Gflux dragons aren't bad. Everyone needs an instant click effect item, be it jboots, gobo earring, or whatnot. first buff slot need to be the instant click, then the rest of your buffs, and lev/DMF near the bottom. Refresh your instant click whenever it gets dispelled.

As far as pushing gaters, if you push the far enough I've never seen them channel. There are many mobs you do not want to sieve, due to the fact that they're chumps as long as they try to keep casting.

Be very careful in regards to the mobs you grab, and don't have too much faith in those WW guides. Things have changed recently with regards to the sleeper revamps.

Anyhow, what the other guys said, stay the hell away from anything with more than one name; they'll rock you harder than front row tickets at a White Lion concert.