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Old 12-09-2019, 05:34 PM
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I understand your fear, but the wall is a waste of money.

It wont deterrence anyone. All it does its wasting taxayer money and make smugglers richer.

IMO you would be far better off if you put that money into education, because on this way you would have less future generations who take drugs. And if there are less peopel who take drugs the cartels in south america make less money = less cartels = less people who flee from them.

Nice side effect with better education:
- less teen pregnency
- less (school) shootings
- less left- and right- wing fanatics

Education is for sure not the cure for all problems, but its definitely one of the main ingredients for a better future in the long run.
Putting money in education is useless when foreigners walk right over our borders to steal our resources. Spending on anything is less effective.

That's why the wall isn't a cost but a money saver at the longer term.

I guess you don't utilize doors and locks to your home, car or protect your wallet either.
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Old 12-09-2019, 05:48 PM
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Its sad that you think like that...so full of fear..its seems almost like you've been brainwashed with propaganda or something.
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Old 12-09-2019, 06:07 PM
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Its sad that you think like that...so full of fear..its seems almost like you've been brainwashed with propaganda or something.
Another liberal substituting personal attacks for arguing points. I point out again, liberal ideas do not survive under scrutiny.
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Old 12-09-2019, 06:39 PM
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Another liberal substituting personal attacks for arguing points. I point out again, liberal ideas do not survive under scrutiny.
Cool story. You're quite possibly the biggest hypocrite on the forum.
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Old 12-09-2019, 06:40 PM
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Putting money in education is useless when foreigners walk right over our borders to steal our resources. Spending on anything is less effective.

That's why the wall isn't a cost but a money saver at the longer term.

I guess you don't utilize doors and locks to your home, car or protect your wallet either.
This is such bullshit I don't even know where to start. Stop fear mongering. The brown people aren't stealing anything from you.
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Old 12-09-2019, 06:44 PM
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This is such bullshit I don't even know where to start. Stop fear mongering. The brown people aren't stealing anything from you.
^ That's not an argument. It's an emotional appeal with a lack of logic. We only have so many resources in the US and a lot of needy people. If we start taking care of foreigners from other nations, it takes away from our own people that we have a responsibility for.

As Americans we need to put American's 1st, don't you agree?
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Old 12-09-2019, 06:51 PM
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It's hard to fathom someone could expect the rate of capture to 100% on the border wall. Simple minds wouldn't understand it's about deterrence. If you force someone to climb a big wall like that you typically have another 20 minutes or more for the drones to pick up on what they are doing and to get a team out there to capture. Anyone uses a video of one person climbing a wall successfully doesn't understand a wall is meant for deterrence not capture.

Deterrence: the action of discouraging an action or event through instilling doubt or fear of the consequences

We are discouraging people from crossing the border illegally and climbing a wall, doesn't mean a small portion will still try. Another percentage will look at the wall and not have a ladder and turn around. Unless you want to argue that 100% of the people before are still attempting to climb the wall?

Liberal logic -> real surface thinkers here.
How much will yearly wall maintenance cost in spending and reduced economic activity?

Why didn't Bush fence the entire border?
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^ That's not an argument. It's an emotional appeal with a lack of logic. We only have so many resources in the US and a lot of needy people. If we start taking care of foreigners from other nations, it takes away from our own people that we have a responsibility for.

As Americans we need to put American's 1st, don't you agree?
I don't think it's quite that black and white. We have the ability to do more than one thing. We're equally able to provide for needy citizens (which we don't because Republicans view social safety nets as a nonstarter) and refugees (which we don't because Republicans are afraid of the mythical "other").

Instead we cut taxes to enrich the disgustingly wealthy while cutting social programs and education.
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Old 12-09-2019, 06:53 PM
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We should put texas outside the wall imo fuck the entire state
How much will the government have to pay in restitution for land seizure??
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Old 12-09-2019, 07:01 PM
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I don't think it's quite that black and white. We have the ability to do more than one thing. We're equally able to provide for needy citizens (which we don't because Republicans view social safety nets as a nonstarter) and refugees (which we don't because Republicans are afraid of the mythical "other").

Instead we cut taxes to enrich the disgustingly wealthy while cutting social programs and education.
You can tax the rich all day, it's still not going to pay for the world's population within America.

We are able to provide for needy citizens when we have borders. Anything else is unsustainable, destructive and taking away from our own needy citizens.

Having illegal immigrants alone destroys wages and the chance for decent workforce conditions for our needy lower class citizens.

The fact that republicans want a little more restrained spending under these conditions is a good thing. We're a bankrupt nation in trillions of dollars of debt.

What kind of person says, 'let's take care of all these foreigners that are trying to steal from us' when we are literally bankrupt and we have our own people that need help. Evil. Subversive.

For anyone that pushes for open borders and more spending on illegal immigrants while the US struggles..... why don't you donate all your money to needy foreigners? Feniin even if you donated 95% of your money you would still be in the worlds top 50% of wealthy people and you can make it back. Why are you so greedy when there's needy people around? Why don't you utilize your own logic?
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