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Old 10-21-2020, 03:45 PM
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Geez crazy to see it come to this but good for p99 staff. Putting their foot down and not dealing with this crap anymore is great to see. Leadership from some maybe all of these guilds could surely benefit from taking a break and clearing their heads out in the real world for a change. God knows how long some have been playing non-stop for years it would make most people crazy. Hopefully clearer heads will prevail after the immersion is broken and everyone can enjoy playing this game we are all supposed to be enjoying.
The problem with this statement is that the GM's have not been "dealing with this crap".

It's no secret that since the arrival and launch of Green, the GM's on Blue have been virtually non-existent. Had there been more involvement on Blue, it's entirely plausible that we would not be at this junction.

Realistically, these problems with the raid scene on Blue have only emerged within the last few months since the formation of Freedom. Reading over the UN conversations, one can objectively notice that one guild in particular wants their cake and eat it too.

All of this has been ranted about in RNF over the past few months and we all know GM's do monitor RNF. Why haven't they done anything to address any of the concerns and nip it in the bud with a firm ruling?

These problematic interactions between Riot and Freedom are of no surprise, it's not like it was unforeseen. This was literally the reason Freedom formed, due to conflict within Riot from certain members and the leadership of Riot.

I'm not putting 100% of the fault at the feet of the GM's, most assuredly they are not the root of the problem, just recognizing that there has been foreseeable problems coming down the road and the lack attention to it has only exacerbated the situation.

Throwing down an indefinite hammer ban seems to be an "easy way out" decision from a lack of participation more than a reasonable contribution towards any meaningful solution.

Now, 99% of the raiding guild members, whom have no control over leaderships' attitudes and relationships toward each other, are charged with the task of ensuring leadership from both guilds "figure it out" and compromise.

Has that worked at all in any significant way thus far? There has to be a better way.

/sigh


Small footnote: The raid scene was more toxic when velious launched and for a year and a half afterwards than it is right now, and blanket indefinite ban's weren't handed out then.
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Old 10-21-2020, 03:51 PM
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Kittens used to be a good bunch. Things have changed over there and from my past experiences with them, it doesn't appear to be in a good way.

They probably still have some good people, but the makeup of the guild now that it's filled with Riot alts has truly cratered.

I'm not sure why everyone is leaping for joy that Kittens will get infinite wipes on top end content until a resolution is figured out. They were never a "raid" guild in the first place.
@the bolded text - doesn't matter, they won't be able to raid. Cheers to the casuals in Kittens. Enjoy the raiding.
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Old 10-21-2020, 03:53 PM
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detoxx comes back to p99 and reforms forsaken v69.420 and the raid scene almost immediately turns toxic after being relatively civil for nearly a year, wow never saw that one coming just absolutely floored by this development
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Old 10-21-2020, 03:53 PM
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Beta bluebies can't even farm pixels right. Meanwhile on green a UN has long been established and all pixels are shared and distributed equally
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Old 10-21-2020, 03:53 PM
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detoxx comes back to p99 and reforms forsaken v69.420 and the raid scene almost immediately turns toxic after being relatively civil for nearly a year, wow never saw that one coming just absolutely floored by this development
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Old 10-21-2020, 03:58 PM
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detoxx comes back to p99 and reforms forsaken v69.420 and the raid scene almost immediately turns toxic after being relatively civil for nearly a year, wow never saw that one coming just absolutely floored by this development
No doubt that Detoxx is not liked by many in the high end raid scene, however, IMO it is more so that with the formation of Riot and the mass zerg / overwhelming machine they made, everyone else was forced to do crazy shit in tandem with them in order to stay relevant, thus the FRAG alliance.

It was an escalation of an arms race that brings us here today. Riot being allowed to go almost full TMO for so long made people insane. They needed some in game anti-trust litigation to break them and their monopoly up and so here we are.
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Old 10-21-2020, 04:04 PM
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The problem with this statement is that the GM's have not been "dealing with this crap".

It's no secret that since the arrival and launch of Green, the GM's on Blue have been virtually non-existent. Had there been more involvement on Blue, it's entirely plausible that we would not be at this junction.

Realistically, these problems with the raid scene on Blue have only emerged within the last few months since the formation of Freedom. Reading over the UN conversations, one can objectively notice that one guild in particular wants their cake and eat it too.

All of this has been ranted about in RNF over the past few months and we all know GM's do monitor RNF. Why haven't they done anything to address any of the concerns and nip it in the bud with a firm ruling?

These problematic interactions between Riot and Freedom are of no surprise, it's not like it was unforeseen. This was literally the reason Freedom formed, due to conflict within Riot from certain members and the leadership of Riot.

I'm not putting 100% of the fault at the feet of the GM's, most assuredly they are not the root of the problem, just recognizing that there has been foreseeable problems coming down the road and the lack attention to it has only exacerbated the situation.

Throwing down an indefinite hammer ban seems to be an "easy way out" decision from a lack of participation more than a reasonable contribution towards any meaningful solution.

Now, 99% of the raiding guild members, whom have no control over leaderships' attitudes and relationships toward each other, are charged with the task of ensuring leadership from both guilds "figure it out" and compromise.

Has that worked at all in any significant way thus far? There has to be a better way.

/sigh


Small footnote: The raid scene was more toxic when velious launched and for a year and a half afterwards than it is right now, and blanket indefinite ban's weren't handed out then.
If the GMs wanted to fix the raid scene they'd do it, its not hard. They enjoy the drama or toxicity or whatever they want to call it. Indefinite ban/work it out in discord just means they can read more drama in the UN discord chat. You can write a wall of text to try and justify it but its pretty easy to see through it.
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Old 10-21-2020, 04:06 PM
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detoxx comes back to p99 and reforms forsaken v69.420 and the raid scene almost immediately turns toxic after being relatively civil for nearly a year, wow never saw that one coming just absolutely floored by this development
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Old 10-21-2020, 04:10 PM
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I mean... everyone has just as much a right to play this game as anyone else. Freedom formed because Riot leadership decided to play god and determine who can and can’t raid on P99. Wether you like someone or not isn’t relevant, no one here owns this server besides Rogean and Nilbog and outcasting or turning your back on people who want to be apart of the raid scene was a bad call. Freedom never would have formed if Riot leadership didn’t start kicking people and being the gatekeeper of 90% of raid content week after week. Rather not get into it more than that but Riot had basically free reign for a year and the only competition was internal and Arcler/Unicity decided to deal with it in a poor way and now you all wind up here. Stop blaming everyone else and realize it’s not someone else’s fault but everyone’s fault who has “power” in these top raiding guilds who decided to tell other people they can’t see the large majority of the raid content because they feel like it.
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Old 10-21-2020, 04:26 PM
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I mean... everyone has just as much a right to play this game as anyone else. Freedom formed because Riot leadership decided to play god and determine who can and can’t raid on P99. Wether you like someone or not isn’t relevant, no one here owns this server besides Rogean and Nilbog and outcasting or turning your back on people who want to be apart of the raid scene was a bad call. Freedom never would have formed if Riot leadership didn’t start kicking people and being the gatekeeper of 90% of raid content week after week. Rather not get into it more than that but Riot had basically free reign for a year and the only competition was internal and Arcler/Unicity decided to deal with it in a poor way and now you all wind up here. Stop blaming everyone else and realize it’s not someone else’s fault but everyone’s fault who has “power” in these top raiding guilds who decided to tell other people they can’t see the large majority of the raid content because they feel like it.
I disagree about the how's and why's of being at this point, yet it's irrelevant. We're here.

If you volunteered to the join the ARMY, you didn't complain when you were given a mission and told to accomplish it. You just accomplished the mission however you saw fit as long as it wasn't an unlawful order (against Rogean/Nilbog) or didn't jeopardize the safety of your men and women below you.
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