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Also just made the connection that the idea of "newbie zone" ZEM that I keep seeing popping up is just people getting the level 1-6 newbie ZEM and not realizing it. That explains that little bit of weirdness in the old posts very cleanly.
Another tweak to the above list by the way, looks like LOIO ZEM was nerfed from 100 to 75 in the same January 2001 patch that raised the dungeon ZEMs, per this post: https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt....U/OnSctcl_2x4J Although this one says Feb 2001 (that's where I got the original date from): https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt....E/rL8k_44W2V0J It's one of those two, anyways. | ||
Last edited by Dolalin; 12-03-2019 at 03:27 PM..
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Well this is interesting.
Everyone knows LOIO was nerfed to have an xp penalty right? Not so fast. The earliest reference I'm seeing to LOIO ZEM being 60 is June 2003 ShowEQ forum posts where they were using windbg.exe to pull ZEMs out of the client memory. http://www.showeq.net/forums/archive...hp/t-3658.html Both the above two newsgroup posts actually in-era say the ZEM was 75. If LOIO ZEM was nerfed to 60 at all, it may have happened outside of the P99 timeline. | ||
Last edited by Dolalin; 12-03-2019 at 05:29 PM..
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Another source for LOIO ZEM being 75 after the nerf from 100, in May 2001:
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Last edited by Dolalin; 12-04-2019 at 08:08 AM..
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ANTONICA Befallen 80 until January 2001, then 90 Blackburrow 80 East Commons 75 East Freeport 75 East Karana 75 Erud's Crossing 75 Everfrost 75 Feerrott 75 Gorge of King Xorbb 75 Halas 100 High Keep 80 Highpass Hold 80 Innothule Swamp 75 Kithikor Woods 75 Lake Rathe 75 Lavastorm Mountains 75 Lower Guk 80 Misty Thicket 75 Nagafen's Lair 80 Najena 80 until January 2001, then 90 Nektulos 75 Neriak- Commons 100 Neriak- Foreign Quarter 100 Neriak- Third Gate 100 North Freeport 100 North Karana 75 North Qeynos 100 North Ro 75 Oasis of Marr 75 Ocean of Tears 75 Oggok 100 Permafrost 80 until January 2001, then 90 Qeynos Hills 75 Qeynos Catacombs 80 until January 2001, then 96 Rathe Mountains 75 Rivervale 100 Runnyeye 80 until January 2001, then 96 Solusek's Eye 80 until January 2001, then 90 South Karana 75 South Ro 75 Splitpaw Lair 80 until January 2001, then 90 Surefall Glade 100 Temple of Cazic Thule 80 Upper Guk 80 until January 2001, then 90 West Commonlands 75 West Freeport 75 West Karana 75 FAYDWER Ak'Anon 100 Butcherblock Mountains 75 Castle Mistmoore 80 Crushbone 80 Dagnor's Cauldron 75 Felwithe 100 Greater Faydark 75 Kaladim 100 Kedge Keep 100 Steamfont Mountains 75 Lesser Faydark 75 Ocean of Tears 75 Unrest 80 ODUS Erudin 100 Erud's Crossing 75 The Hole 80 until Jan 2001, then 100 Kerra Isle 80 until Jan 2001, then 96 Paineel 75 Stonebrunt Mountains 75 Toxxulia Forest 75 Warrens 80 KUNARK Burning Woods 75 Cabilis 100 Charasis 85 Chardok 85 City of Mist 85 Dalnir 85 Dreadlands 75 Emerald Jungle 75 Field of Bone 75 Fironia Vie 75 Frontier Mountains 75 Kaesora 85 until January 2001, then 100 Karnor's Castle 85 Kurn's Tower 85 Lake of Ill Omen 100 until Jan/Feb 2001, then 75 The Mines of Nurga 85 until January 2001, then 95 Sebilis 85 Skyfire Mountains 80 Swamp of No Hope 75 The Overthere 75 Timourous Deep 75 Temple of Droga 85 until January 2001, then 95 Trakanon's Teeth 75 Veeshan's Peak 75 Warsliks Woods 75 VELIOUS Cobalt Scar 75 Crystal Caverns 85 Dragon Necropolis 85 Eastern Wastes 75 Great Divide 75 Iceclad Ocean 75 Icewell Keep 85 Kael Drakkel 85 Temple of Veeshan 85 Siren's Grotto 85 Skyshrine 85 Sleeper's Tomb 90 Thurgadin 85 Tower of Frozen Shadow 85 Velketor's Labyrinth 85 Wakening Lands 75 Western Wastes 80 I tweaked Kerra, Runnyeye and QCat ZEMs up by 1 because I made a rounding error. QCat is cited at 96 in the newsgroups so it makes sense. Given all the posts and sources quoted above, this is much closer to how ZEMs were in classic than I suspect the current P99 ZEMs are, and I would encourage staff to quietly make a change if they agree. | ||
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Guards are going to have groups and lists lol
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Correction on the Kerra ZEM. It must have started out as 75 ZEM because I see the 20% bump in the patch message only revved up to 90 per many links including the below from 2003:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt....w/Hkxtm1wXzkQJ | ||
Last edited by Dolalin; 12-05-2019 at 12:55 PM..
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Nice work, Dolalin. Any thoughts from the devs here?
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The exp was probably boosted in home cities. I remember even in ak'anon individual spawns were being camped by solo individuals. Like "I''m camping clockwork XVII nut i think XVI is open" type stuff.
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Yes that matches my experience too come to think of it DMN.
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I've figured out when these low level dungeon ZEMs got raised above standard. It was in the March 19, 2002 patch (also the one where they added the low level rezzes etc):
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And here is a newsgroup thread with people discussing what new lowbie dungeon zones got raised (and mentions that LOIO got reduced (ie from 75 to 60)): Quote:
So these high ZEMs (and the LOIO 60 ZEM) are out of era for our server. | ||||
Last edited by Dolalin; 12-19-2019 at 01:06 PM..
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