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[Loke]

Originally Posted by Croco [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Still waiting for you to quote me the rule that says lull pulling is not allowed.

Shit like this is why you guys are impossible to work with. Always with the lawyer questing and "gotcha" bullshit. You claim Vanquish acts in bad faith, while at the same time doing shit like lull pulling, scale of wolf races, etc...essentially going out of your way to create drama.

Just look at Velk this morning. We saw you guys wiping, backed up the ramp out of aggro range, and then carried on without issue. When the situation was reversed, Riot sat in our camp, cried train when Velk aggro'd them, and demanded concession.

You guys literally seem to go out of your way to create these issues and then acted shocked and offended when we're unwilling to acquiesce to your bullshit.

[Nexii]

Originally Posted by Loke [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Shit like this is why you guys are impossible to work with. Always with the lawyer questing and "gotcha" bullshit. You claim Vanquish acts in bad faith, while at the same time doing shit like lull pulling, scale of wolf races, etc...essentially going out of your way to create drama.

Just look at Velk this morning. We saw you guys wiping, backed up the ramp out of aggro range, and then carried on without issue. When the situation was reversed, Riot sat in our camp, cried train when Velk aggro'd them, and demanded concession.

You guys literally seem to go out of your way to create these issues and then acted shocked and offended when we're unwilling to acquiesce to your bullshit.

Your bard Rorixz tried to camp out at the top of the ramp while you were wiping. He died and trained us.

[Croco]

Originally Posted by Loke [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Shit like this is why you guys are impossible to work with. Always with the lawyer questing and "gotcha" bullshit. You claim Vanquish acts in bad faith, while at the same time doing shit like lull pulling, scale of wolf races, etc...essentially going out of your way to create drama.

Just look at Velk this morning. We saw you guys wiping, backed up the ramp out of aggro range, and then carried on without issue. When the situation was reversed, Riot sat in our camp, cried train when Velk aggro'd them, and demanded concession.

You guys literally seem to go out of your way to create these issues and then acted shocked and offended when we're unwilling to acquiesce to your bullshit.

So you can't quote the rule where lull pulling is disallowed? Cool, good talk.

"Your camp"? You mean the safe spot where everyone sets up for velk? You don't own the zone or the safe spot. You can't train a raid mob onto a guild sitting in the safe/prep spot. Git gud? Wipe faster? Don't train an opposing raid force? Why does quish train so often? Either you're all very bad at this game or it's on purpose.

[Bardp1999]

Originally Posted by Croco [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So you can't quote the rule where lull pulling is disallowed? Cool, good talk.

"Your camp"? You mean the safe spot where everyone sets up for velk? You don't own the zone or the safe spot. You can't train a raid mob onto a guild sitting in the safe/prep spot. Git gud? Wipe faster? Don't train an opposing raid force? Why does quish train so often? Either you're all very bad at this game or it's on purpose.

Sirken:
Foot race FTEs does not mean targeting through walls with BS and FTEing with lull or anything else. This goes against the entire spirit, and purpose of why the rule exists.

Continuing to do this will result in a raid suspension for your guild.

[Croco]

Originally Posted by Bardp1999 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sirken:
Foot race FTEs does not mean targeting through walls with BS and FTEing with lull or anything else. This goes against the entire spirit, and purpose of why the rule exists.

Continuing to do this will result in a raid suspension for your guild.

Sirken: 6/16/2017 Removed all ToV, Tormax, and Statue rules.

Hope this helps.

[Ripqozko]

Originally Posted by Bardp1999 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sirken:
Foot race FTEs does not mean targeting through walls with BS and FTEing with lull or anything else. This goes against the entire spirit, and purpose of why the rule exists.

Continuing to do this will result in a raid suspension for your guild.

This was known thing cause vp stick would be OP for dain. It's a known thing not to lull fte for years, to be fair this was before taigam raided and he was just a gleam in someone's eye.

[Bardp1999]

Originally Posted by Croco [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sirken: 6/16/2017 Removed all ToV, Tormax, and Statue rules.

Hope this helps.

Lull pulling is still disallowed and was not specific to these raid zones

learn to read

[Croco]

Originally Posted by Ripqozko [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This was known thing cause vp stick would be OP for dain. It's a known thing not to lull fte for years, to be fair this was before taigam raided and he was just a gleam in someone's eye.

"Known thing" does not = raid rule. If something is not spelled out as against the rules guess what? It's not against the rules. The thread Bardp is pulling from is specific to Kael and Sirken later removes all rules from that zone. We used a legal method to pull Dain (doesn't reside in Kael) once and quish has been REEEEEE'ing about it ever since. Just because you want something to be against the rules or you think some gentleman's rule exists doesn't make it so. There's a reason we've been leading the charge to try and codify a singular set of raid rules all collected in a single space for reference.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by Croco [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"Known thing" does not = raid rule. If something is not spelled out as against the rules guess what? It's not against the rules. The thread Bardp is pulling from is specific to Kael and Sirken later removes all rules from that zone. We used a legal method to pull Dain (doesn't reside in Kael) once and quish has been REEEEEE'ing about it ever since. Just because you want something to be against the rules or you think some gentleman's rule exists doesn't make it so. There's a reason we've been leading the charge to try and codify a singular set of raid rules all collected in a single space for reference.

Lull pulling is against the rules. Just because you don't wish to accept it doesn't magically make it not against the rules. It's been quoted to you where it's against the rules. Time to pick a different hill to die on.

[Croco]

Originally Posted by Bardp1999 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lull pulling is still disallowed and was not specific to these raid zones

learn to read

That post is specific to Kael. He clarifies in his original post in the thread with an edit dated after what you quoted and he removes all the rules from Kael. He also reiterates that all server rules still apply and he links the post for the server rules. Interestingly enough if you do a CTRL+F and search lull you won't find anything. Weird! Learn to read indeed.