05-11-2021, 05:44 AM
|
|
Planar Protector
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: UK
Posts: 2,540
|
|
Emissary of Thule (59 nec pet) should quad extremely infrequently
Lots of evidence that this pet did not quad on a regular basis, to the point where lots of people (including myself) doubted he could even quad at all.
My theory is that the pet seldom succeeded at his offhand double attack roll due to a low skill level.
Evidence from in era:
Quote:
I am pretty certain that the Spectre pet does not Dual Wield. Most I have ever seen it hit is triples. It does certainly not both dual wield and triple attack since that would mean that it gets occasional quintuplets (5 hits at once).
Never ever seen it do more than 3 attacks at once. My bet is that they removed dual wield from the spec and replaced it with gay triple attack skill, making our pet, not a warrior, but more like a shadowknight without spells.
https://web.archive.org/web/20020713...E+PET+GUIDE+**
|
Quote:
The Specter pet needs to have the peridot cost removed, it's max damage increased, it's quad attack fixed [it does quad attack just not very often], given a special attack and for the love of all that is unholy SHUT IT UP! That moaning drivers me crazy, I end up turning off my speakers when I use it.
All in all I still use my Monk Pet when grouping. Just get it a couple HP/AC buffs, turn it's taunting off and go to work. Best Pet overall.
---
The 59 pet is retarted. It doesn't dual wield, which translates into pathetic damage output compared to the 56 pet. Its hps are ok I guess, but it REALLY needs to hit harder and dual wield. If the top pet hit for 61 and had a higher dual wield skill then the 56 pet it would be a truely awesome pet.
---
59 pet against a lower level mob would get outdamaged by a 49 level pet. The 59 pet DOES NOT DUAL WIELD!! The times you see 4 hits are reposites. Watch the 49 pet hit and then the 59 pet. It is obvious that it isn't dual wielding. If the 59 pet had a stun proc and actually dual wielded, it would be an awesome pet.
---
The 59th lvl pet does in fact Quad attack. I have done several logs and have seen a "few" instances of this. And no they where not reposites as the pet was not hit during, before or after the quad attack.
It just does not double attack very often. Probably 50% less then the Monk pet and that is where the major damage loss is at.
---
59 pet does not dual wield. Look at the time stamp for the supposed quads and you will see they are diff. Lag etc. can make 2 successive rounds of attack look like one. Look at any pet from 39 to 56 and then the 59 pet. You will soon realise it isn't dual wielding. I wish it did.....
---
Yes I did look at the time stamp [I printed out the log to review it over a 2 hour period]. Trust me it does dual wield, just not very often. If I remember I will post one such log part tonight when I get home. But if you do a search you will find other logs showing it quad attacking.
https://web.archive.org/web/20010624...iscussions#top
|
Quote:
The spectre pet dual wields???? Show me some proof of this then. I have looked at many logs on my friends computer that we did and the spectre did not repeat NOT dual wield.
If the spec dual wielded it would have many rounds of quad attacks. Look at the 49,53,56 pet. They dual wield and it is very evident just looking at the melee text. Unless the pet changed within the last month it doesn't dual wield period.
---
lmao..guy, get a clue.the dual wield skill of the 59 pet is BUGGED..repeat after me:..BUGGED.it has a LESSER number of quad-attack-rounds then the 49, 53 and 56 pet.
---
the damage output of the monk pet is MUCH more then the 59 pets damage.the 59 pet is only a very small upgrade to the 49 pet (the main difference are few levels and around 400 hps)..even abashi said, that this pet isnt a real zpgrade to the 49 pet, because he feels, that the 49 pet is too strong and the 59 pet has "pay" for its look.
https://web.archive.org/web/20020110...:)&whichpage=1
|
And from this thread in June 2002, just after the May 2002 high end nec/mage pet upgrades, we have people discussing the spec pet (in the context of how it was and how it was changed):
Quote:
I believe that the spectre has been given a "quad attack" ability, that well, basically is completely inferior to double attack and duel weild. I know warriors with the triple attack ability get triples very rarely because it requires you sucessfully rolling a double attack and then stacking a third attack on that. Because pets are now nearly immune to ripostes in a pet on pet duel the rapid attack of the monk compared to the spectre would not hurt as much anymore.
---
I'm telling you the spectre pet has been FUBAR since day one. It has some wierd problem with dual wield and its hps are too low for the mobs you fight. The damage raise in its hits were nice, but more needs to be done. I hate to ask for more after all they have done lately, but I hope they get it right the first time.
---
Also I just did some math on quad hit vs double attack/duelweild. If it works this way as I've hypothesized:
Quad attack ability (spectre)
swing, then roll for Double atk
if pass roll:
swing, roll for trip attack
if pass roll:
swing, roll for quad atk
if pass roll:
swing
versus
Double attack/DW ability (monk)-
swing, then roll for Duel weild, concurrently roll for double atk on main hand
if duel weild passes, roll for double attack on offhand.
according to my math the monk will get approximately 3/7 or ~40% more swings over time. This goes for other pets including the 49 pet, making 49 pretty much just as good of a tank.
https://web.archive.org/web/20020711...&TOPIC_ID=4442
|
|
|
Last edited by Dolalin; 05-11-2021 at 05:59 AM..
|
|
Linear Mode
