Communism is a hit!

[Basanos]

Originally Posted by Ooloo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How do you measure racism? It's a very important question.

"Let's stop racism!" is obviously a goal everyone should aspire to (and already does), but nobody can ever seem to articulate what that means or how it could possibly be measured. Do you envision some ideal scenario where somebody declares "okay, racism is now over!"? Who would that person be, and how would they know?

That is a very weak copout. This question was also just as vague when we literally had human slaves in this country.

I have almost no respect for you, but now I have less.

[aussenseiter]

Originally Posted by Basanos [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't see why we even need a binary approach. It does not have to be one or the other.

China uses features of capitalism within their version of socialism. We use features of socialism here in our version of capitalism. Hell, we all use features of fascism.

We can make the STSNW version of America, plus, Pike is devastatingly handsome and has great hair.

Yes, the United States and China are both social democracies to varying degrees.

Marx did not win, but I think he'd be reasonably satisfied with this outcome.

quaffs gin

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Originally Posted by Ooloo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I agree segregation is bad. So does everyone else.

Come on. That's just lazy. In order to contend against a position, you do not have to say it is fighting ghosts.



That's a strawman by proxy. You don't make you opponent a strawman, but you argue they tilt at windmills, etc. Not going to work here though.



That only works if your opponent is actually fighting ghosts. Since that is not the case, the stronger move is to find problems with method. Your opponent has the right idea, and a real enemy, but they are: self-defeating; targeting the wrong cause; not presenting a coherent solution; etc.


And, let me say, you missed my point. I am not claiming "believing" in desegregation matters a shit. I am claiming, actual desegregated communities as a rule suffer less racial/ethnic/ etc./ tension.


Raised in NY area, integration really comes down not so much to what block you live on, but who you work alongside of, ride the bus next to, cross the street with, etc. It's about daily life integration. Private social life revolves around daily workaday life, not vice versa. If your only life is "in the house" you are not living a normal life.



It is proven it works. Which was the initial puzzlement I was trying to remedy. Someone asked, how do you solve racism. This. But it is not belief. It is actual.


I do not give one single fuck what anyone "believes." Their "beliefs" can dream on. I'm dealing with what's real.


And reality: you're welcome.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Originally Posted by Basanos [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't see why we even need a binary approach. It does not have to be one or the other.

China uses features of capitalism within their version of socialism. We use features of socialism here in our version of capitalism. Hell, we all use features of fascism.

We can make the STSNW version of America, plus, Pike is devastatingly handsome and has great hair.

If we end up doing battle against a very angry Romulan, that might prove interesting. But, we can't reboot our prime directives, ok? hehe.



The 20th century is marked -- in the West! -- by tons of economic adjustments and "mixtures." If one takes an econ 101 class, I am pretty sure the technical term for this is a "mixed economy." It's what all "modern" economies look like.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mixed_economy


China's problem is not communism or communist economics. It's totalitarian surveillance state, is China's problem. I think they are eventually fucked. Get free or get fucked is built into DNA. Fact.


Free markets, free democracy baby. We win. Sadly to some, we have to include broad concepts of human rights. All apologies, as Kurt Cobain sang [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWmkuH1k7uA

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Originally Posted by Horza [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Just going to pretend that was a stylistic choice and not me being forced to have political discussions in Rants and Flames.

These are challenging times. This century got all bend-y suddenly. I was all settled in for a nice third decade of cynicism. Then TehCovid took my baby. Or something. Mass regurgitation of all bad tropes, inc. Mostly it has to do with Russia losing its fucking mind. Nation of goddam alcoholics more concerned with staying stable, than running a ship. Now that's not seafaring. And now we have to de-cock the bastards and try to keep the Chinese puppet garden from going south.



It's like trying to care for a demented aging parent while the other one keeps throwing old vodka bottles at you. That's what the West does. It works.

[roks1]

“He’s written a good thing in that manuscript,” Verkhovensky went on. “He suggests a system of spying. Every member of the society spies on the others, and it’s his duty to inform against them. Every one belongs to all and all to every one. All are slaves and equal in their slavery. In extreme cases he advocates slander and murder, but the great thing about it is equality. To begin with, the level of education, science, and talents is lowered. A high level of education and science is only possible for great intellects, and they are not wanted. The great intellects have always seized the power and been despots. Great intellects cannot help being despots and they’ve always done more harm than good. They will be banished or put to death. Cicero will have his tongue cut out, Copernicus will have his eyes put out, Shakespeare will be stoned—that’s Shigalovism. Slaves are bound to be equal. There has never been either freedom or equality without despotism, but in the herd there is bound to be equality, and that’s Shigalovism! Ha ha ha! Do you think it strange? I am for Shigalovism.”

[Ash Williams]

I always love the "slaves built your country" argument. I cant recall the last time I saw a skyscraper made of cotton.... odd.

[Ekco]

Chinese built the railroads i remember that much