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[Throndor]

Originally Posted by mickmoranis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

liberalatarians we'll call em

Autheralatarians

They believe in individual rights, as long as they're progressive, but these rights are also rescindable at any time, should the Fuhrer decide it's not in the best interest of the greater good, or if individuals that identify pansexual guinea pigs are offended.

At the same time, they also support the restructuring of the education to abolish history, mathematics, reading and writing (in any language), and science, because like...facts aren't important. Education will consist of describing what each emoji means; while we revert to pictograms and subcommunication like facial expressions and body language to relay meaning.

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[Asteria]

Originally Posted by Throndor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, its called imposing your own views of Utopia upon the rest of the world. You're actively seeking to change what exists, into something different. For what? So that your will can be imposed upon others? How is this not pseudo-imperialism? Am i to assume your efforts are purely Altruistic? Are you sure you want to go down the altruist path?

We'd still be cavemen grunting about and living in filth if no human ever wanted to change what exists for what he or she and others considered to be improvements. Narrow minded and anxious people afraid of any major changes have always existed. Most great inventors and world changers challenged the status quo and threatened the unimaginative and fearful, such as yourself.

You may have memorized a lot of trivia and facts, but you present yourself as very fearful of any major changes. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

According to your "logic", all great religious leaders are pseudo-imperialist. Wouldn't this make most great inventors pseudo-imperalists too? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Arguing over the internet is fine in moderation, but please try to balance your life with some love, exploration, and real life human kindness Throndor. Don't be embittered if you are reciprocated with evil or disappointment sometimes. Remember Risk v Reward?

[Throndor]

Originally Posted by Asteria [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We'd still be cavemen grunting about and living in filth if no human ever wanted to change what exists for what he or she and others considered to be improvements. Narrow minded and anxious people afraid of any major changes have always existed. Most great inventors and world changers challenged the status quo and threatened the unimaginative and fearful, such as yourself.

You may have memorized a lot of trivia and facts, but you present yourself as very fearful of any major changes. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

According to your "logic", all great religious leaders are pseudo-imperialist. Would this would would make most great inventors pseudo-imperalists too? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Arguing over the internet is fine in moderation, but please try to balance your life with some love, exploration, and real life human kindness Throndor. Don't be embittered if you are reciprocated with evil or disappointment sometimes. Remember Risk v Reward?

Except, we're not talking about changes into something "new", we're talking about REGRESSING into the environment that gave rise to WW2. Thanks for playing. Marxism, Fascism, and Communism all had their moments under the sun. They were complete utter abysmal failures, with human suffering that amounted to casualties in the hundreds of millions.

Marxism failed.
Fascism failed.
Communism failed (almost immediately, they had to drag it on for another 60 years after it's initial catastrophic affects out of sheer stubborn refusal to acknowledge that the quacking, honking, waddling thing was a duck)

Hitler's Nazi Germany was less than 10% as bad for humanity, in death count, compared to Marxism/Communism.

That shit is old hat. Get a new political theory that befits the current times. This whole "that wasn't real communism" argument is bullshit. How many billions of lives does it cost to realize "real communism"? It's not fucking worth it. let it go.

It's absolutely absurd to take the stance that "Capitalism doesn't work". If it's not actively being sabotaged by self-interest on both sides of the political aisle it gives rise to the greatest civilization the world has ever known.

Look at it like this:

China.....40 years ago a complete utter communist shithole with starvation and abject poverty rampant throughout the country.

As soon as China hybridizes their government from pure authoritarian communism to Socialism with Capitalist underpinnings: Rising Success; they're now challenging the top dog in being the world superpower while the US gets weaker as socialism takes a greater hold.

Venezuela: 20 years ago, a prosperous south/central american country under capitalism; fast forward to socialist venezuela now: Maduro is literally coercing his citizenry for votes with the promise of NOT STARVING TO DEATH.

Socialist countries in europe are rapidly nearing insolvency and they don't even have defense budgets, while simultaneously having cultures far more ethnically homogenous than the US.

Socialism doesn't work. Every single attempt has lead or is leading to utter ruin.

[Asteria]

Originally Posted by Throndor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Except, we're not talking about changes into something "new", we're talking about REGRESSING into the environment that gave rise to WW2. Thanks for playing.

Sorry, the environment will never again be as it was prior to WW2. Sorry if you really think that is possible. Technology has changed the world way too radically for this unfortunate idea. The rules of war as well as consequences have changed way too dramatically thanks to the mass production of devastating nuclear weapons. Also, the digital diet we have today (which you thoroughly enjoy apparently) helps keep people much more comfortable or apathetic/satisfied it seems and certainly didn't exist prior to WW2 either.

If you're really worried about some coming WW3, shouldn't that give you even more impetus to enjoy the beauties of the world around us while you can? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Throndor]

Originally Posted by Asteria [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sorry, the environment will never again be as it was prior to WW2. Sorry if you really think that is possible. Technology has changed the world way too radically for this unfortunate idea. The rules of war as well as consequences have changed way too dramatically thanks to the mass production of devastating nuclear weapons. Also, the digital diet we have today (which you thoroughly enjoy apparently) helps keep people much more comfortable or apathetic/satisfied it seems and certainly didn't exist prior to WW2 either.

If you're really worried about some coming WW3, shouldn't that give you even more impetus to enjoy the beauties of the world around us while you can? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You really think so? Take a look at what's going on in Venezuela right now. Take a look at the clashes between the citizenry and the state.

You're right about one thing. I doubt we will see outright state-vs-state modern warfare due to ideological underpinnings again. This time, we're looking at a much more sinister beast: state-vs-its own citizenry.

The state-vs-state casualties as a result of conflicts in the world during the WW2 era account for what % of the total casualties caused by the government ideologies that rose just prior to, and in the aftermath of WW1? 15%? Far more PEOPLE died at the hands of their own state than ACTUAL CASUALTIES OF WAR EVEN IF YOU COUNT THE JAPANESE (jews and "deplorables" in Germany)(Do-Nothings and "dissidents" in communist china and russia)

When individual freedoms and liberties die in America, who's going to save us from the ensuing Purge? Ancient Aliens, and Atlanteans? The governments of the world are too powerful for the citizenry to ever launch a successful revolt against again, if they are so inclined as to not give power back to the unwillingly governed.

There's no one left to save the world if the west falls you stupid fuck. If the western world didn't step in and stop Nazi Germany, and Communist Russia, we would all be fucking dead or speaking German/Russian right now. That's how toxic Communism AND Fascism are.

[ScaringChildren]

Originally Posted by Asteria [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We'd still be cavemen grunting about and living in filth if no human ever wanted to change what exists for what he or she and others considered to be improvements. Narrow minded and anxious people afraid of any major changes have always existed. Most great inventors and world changers challenged the status quo and threatened the unimaginative and fearful, such as yourself.

You may have memorized a lot of trivia and facts, but you present yourself as very fearful of any major changes. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

According to your "logic", all great religious leaders are pseudo-imperialist. Wouldn't this make most great inventors pseudo-imperalists too? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Arguing over the internet is fine in moderation, but please try to balance your life with some love, exploration, and real life human kindness Throndor. Don't be embittered if you are reciprocated with evil or disappointment sometimes. Remember Risk v Reward?

We don't trust you.

If you try to enslave us, we will fucking kill you and everyone who tries to oppress us.

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[Throndor]

How do we know it won't work if we don't try it guys?

I mean, if it turns out bad for Americans, I'm sure those Chinese will come war against the Communist US government. The Chinese are paragons of humanity and such; I mean, look at how they're saving lives by harvesting their prisoner's vital organs for transplants...saving lives and such.... if it fails, we can just lobby the Fuhrer for a mulligan. I'm sure they'll (mind the "edgy pronoun usage) understand.

[Asteria]

Originally Posted by Throndor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You really think so? Take a look at what's going on in Venezuela right now. Take a look at the clashes between the citizenry and the state.

You're right about one thing. I doubt we will see outright state-vs-state modern warfare due to ideological underpinnings again. This time, we're looking at a much more sinister beast: state-vs-its own citizenry.

The state-vs-state casualties as a result of conflicts in the world during the WW2 era account for what % of the total casualties caused by the government ideologies that rose just prior to, and in the aftermath of WW1? 15%? Far more PEOPLE died at the hands of their own state (jews and "deplorables" in Germany)(Do-Nothings and "dissidents" in communist china and russia)

Most Democratic socialist politcians and their supporters here in the USA are mostly not Communists or Marxists as far as I know. I am not. We want better healthcare, we CAN survive taxing the super wealthy more, increasing government accountability, and getting money out of politics. Most of us do not want Communism, Marxism, or Fascism.

As a rule of thumb, many sources of leftist media will often take something incendiary or malevolent sounding some right-wing figure said out of context and greatly exaggerate the malevolence of it.

As a rule of thumb, many sources of right wing media will often take something incendiary or malevolent sounding some leftist figure said out of context and greatly exaggerate the malevolence of it.

[Throndor]

Originally Posted by Asteria [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Most Democratic socialist politcians and their supporters here in the USA are mostly not Communists or Marxists as far as I know. I am not. We want better healthcare, we CAN survive taxing the super wealthy more, increasing government accountability, and getting money out of politics. Most of us do not want Communism, Marxism, or Fascism.

As a rule of thumb, many sources of leftist media will often take something incendiary or malevolent sounding some right-wing figure said out of context and greatly exaggerate the malevolence of it.

As a rule of thumb, many sources of right wing media will often take something incendiary or malevolent sounding some leftist figure said out of context and greatly exaggerate the malevolence of it.

Dude, Alexandria Occasional-Cortex identifies herself as a "democratic socialist". "Democratic Socialist" is a dog whistle for marxist.

Your comrades here echoing your "ideas", they've already outright admitted they were marxists a few hundred pages back. That's why they're pivotting and antagonizing on every response now instead of declaring their position.

You're way late to the party. Do we need to start the conversation over again?

Disingenuous ; not candid or sincere, typically by pretending that one knows less about something than one really does.

Furtive ; attempting to avoid notice or attention, typically because of guilt or a belief that discovery would lead to trouble; secretive.