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Old 11-22-2019, 03:49 PM
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He wont get impeach
Instead of spamming this thread with every thought that pops into your head, maybe you could spend some time actually researching this topic a little.

Impeachment doesn't mean conviction. Impeachment is the allegation of wrongdoing. It's passed by the House, and the trial is held by the Senate.

Obviously the majority Republican Senate isn't going to vote to convict Donald Trump. I know that, Democrats know that, everyone knows that. You aren't really making any sort of groundbreaking observation by stating that you don't think Trump will be removed from office by his Republican allies.

Now as far as my personal feelings on the matter.

We can argue about details and hearsay and rumors until Trump is dead in the ground (and we probably will), but it's all mostly meaningless to me because there's one very important fact that no one has to argue about:

The president of the United States of America withheld aid to a foreign ally, while simultaneously requesting that said ally launch an investigation to damage the president's political rival.

That's really bad. And it wasn't even a slip up. This president has shown a pattern for this type of behavior, like when he invited Russia to commit cyber espionage against the Democratic party.

This is obviously not decorum fit for holding the highest office in the United States of America. I really hope that everyone realizes this, and they just continue to support Donald Trump for their own personal gains, or the memes, or whatever petty reason they have. Because this is the type of behavior that you should expect from the leader of some corrupt country like Somalia or Libya, not the leader of one of the most powerful countries in the world.

So yes, objectively he should be removed from office. This behavior has continued for 4 years without a sign that the president has learned anything. But of course, half of the population is willing to watch the country go down in flames because "I like the guy."

As a citizen, the whole thing is deeply embarrassing, that's for sure. It would be nice to once in my life live in a country that's actually respected by the rest of the world.
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Old 11-22-2019, 03:59 PM
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Instead of spamming this thread with every thought that pops into your head, maybe you could spend some time actually researching this topic a little.

Impeachment doesn't mean conviction. Impeachment is the allegation of wrongdoing. It's passed by the House, and the trial is held by the Senate.

Obviously the majority Republican Senate isn't going to vote to convict Donald Trump. I know that, Democrats know that, everyone knows that. You aren't really making any sort of groundbreaking observation by stating that you don't think Trump will be removed from office by his Republican allies.

Now as far as my personal feelings on the matter.

We can argue about details and hearsay and rumors until Trump is dead in the ground (and we probably will), but it's all mostly meaningless to me because there's one very important fact that no one has to argue about:

The president of the United States of America withheld aid to a foreign ally, while simultaneously requesting that said ally launch an investigation to damage the president's political rival.

That's really bad. And it wasn't even a slip up. This president has shown a pattern for this type of behavior, like when he invited Russia to commit cyber espionage against the Democratic party.

This is obviously not decorum fit for holding the highest office in the United States of America. I really hope that everyone realizes this, and they just continue to support Donald Trump for their own personal gains, or the memes, or whatever petty reason they have. Because this is the type of behavior that you should expect from the leader of some corrupt country like Somalia or Libya, not the leader of one of the most powerful countries in the world.

So yes, objectively he should be removed from office. This behavior has continued for 4 years without a sign that the president has learned anything. But of course, half of the population is willing to watch the country go down in flames because "I like the guy."

As a citizen, the whole thing is deeply embarrassing, that's for sure. It would be nice to once in my life live in a country that's actually respected by the rest of the world.
Well said. It's a shame it'll fall on deaf ears among this group.
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Old 11-22-2019, 04:22 PM
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John Bolton posts cryptic message implying Trump's White House trying to silence him.

Former National Security Adviser John Bolton has made a dramatic return to Twitter following his unexplained hiatus since his resignation in September, saying the White House blocked access to his personal account and suggested they are fearful of what he might say.

Bolton appeared to hit back later in the day, writing: "We have now liberated the Twitter account, previously suppressed unfairly in the aftermath of my resignation as National Security Advisor. More to come....."
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Old 11-22-2019, 04:52 PM
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Instead of spamming this thread with every thought that pops into your head, maybe you could spend some time actually researching this topic a little.

Impeachment doesn't mean conviction. Impeachment is the allegation of wrongdoing. It's passed by the House, and the trial is held by the Senate.

Obviously the majority Republican Senate isn't going to vote to convict Donald Trump. I know that, Democrats know that, everyone knows that. You aren't really making any sort of groundbreaking observation by stating that you don't think Trump will be removed from office by his Republican allies.

Now as far as my personal feelings on the matter.

We can argue about details and hearsay and rumors until Trump is dead in the ground (and we probably will), but it's all mostly meaningless to me because there's one very important fact that no one has to argue about:

The president of the United States of America withheld aid to a foreign ally, while simultaneously requesting that said ally launch an investigation to damage the president's political rival.

That's really bad. And it wasn't even a slip up. This president has shown a pattern for this type of behavior, like when he invited Russia to commit cyber espionage against the Democratic party.

This is obviously not decorum fit for holding the highest office in the United States of America. I really hope that everyone realizes this, and they just continue to support Donald Trump for their own personal gains, or the memes, or whatever petty reason they have. Because this is the type of behavior that you should expect from the leader of some corrupt country like Somalia or Libya, not the leader of one of the most powerful countries in the world.

So yes, objectively he should be removed from office. This behavior has continued for 4 years without a sign that the president has learned anything. But of course, half of the population is willing to watch the country go down in flames because "I like the guy."

As a citizen, the whole thing is deeply embarrassing, that's for sure. It would be nice to once in my life live in a country that's actually respected by the rest of the world.
Lol guy comes here in and explains that he is coming up with some damning evidence that has been discussed already 40 times in both threads. Seems there isn't only one side with deaf ears.

Republicans know what your stance is. They are saying that Trump held aid, had a conversation then released it prior to any investigation taking place. Therefore, no quid pro pro. In other words, "Start the investigation first, then I'll release aid."

No one is here for personal gains. Anyone arguing that the other side is doing it for personal gains is a white knighting retard.

The obvious concern is what precedent you set for the future. If there is a crime committed but you can't prove it and Republicans own the house, are you okay with Republicans moving forward with impeachment? No. Flip the roles then ask yourself the same questions.
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Old 11-22-2019, 04:55 PM
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What happened? At one point you guys were touting how independents were nuts to impeach Trump. Oops again.

Maybe spend more time not worshipping and enabling big time liberals like these-

https://m.imgur.com/AbeiR7w

They still celebrate this on the left.
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Old 11-22-2019, 05:05 PM
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No one should ever lose sight that one side here tried to use American tax payer dollars to get a foreign prosecutor fired so their son could be the board member on a corrupt energy company set to earn aid. The other side simply asked this to be looked into. Pretty easy to see which side is supporting America in this equation and which isn’t.
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Old 11-22-2019, 05:16 PM
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Old 11-22-2019, 05:41 PM
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John Bolton posts cryptic message implying Trump's White House trying to silence him.

Former National Security Adviser John Bolton has made a dramatic return to Twitter following his unexplained hiatus since his resignation in September, saying the White House blocked access to his personal account and suggested they are fearful of what he might say.

Bolton appeared to hit back later in the day, writing: "We have now liberated the Twitter account, previously suppressed unfairly in the aftermath of my resignation as National Security Advisor. More to come....."
Bolton is mad he didn't get his way and was only brought on to add credibility to the administration in the eyes of the neo-liberal, warhawk wing of the GOP. He's more of the same Obama / Bush / Clinton neo-liberal foreign policy that has plagued and drained this country financially for decades. Good riddance to him and his ways.

"YOU should care deeply about Syria and our proxy wars. Ukraine is our greatest ally! Americans should die for our allies no question! They do so much for us!"

It's like these boomer liberals who opposed Vietnam now are so anti-Trump that the moment Trump pushes out a warhawk or attempts to pull out of a place like Syria, they LOSE their collective mind and say, "Oh wow Bolton! Now there's a great true patriot! Shame on Trump for wanting to abandon our allies! JB knows best!" sheeesh.
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Old 11-22-2019, 05:44 PM
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The funniest thing about all this is that the prosecutor that the US/EU wanted fired was refusing to cooperate with the UK authorities in a money laundering investigation of Burisma and its owner, which is why they wanted this prosecutor fired.

Democratic talking heads are so afraid of saying anything at all about Biden/Ukraine other than it's a hoax (sound familiar?) or that it's been debunked that they don't give any details/facts on the matter and trust that people can come to that conclusion on their own.

Politician's have absolutely no faith in the public's intelligence (though, reading this thread is probably good example of why they shouldn't--on either side) and are so afraid to say anything that can be used as a sound bite in a 15 second political ad put out by the opposition that they refuse to acknowledge what is plainly obvious: Hunter Biden has been exploiting his father's position and family name for profit throughout his entire career.

Is it illegal? No. Is it unethical? Yes. Does it have anything to do with Joe Biden? Not really.

NYT article from 2015 that is often referenced regarding this

NPR interview with Jame's Risen (the author of that article)
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Old 11-22-2019, 05:46 PM
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It's like these boomer liberals who opposed Vietnam now are so anti-Trump that the moment Trump pushes out a warhawk or attempts to pull out of a place like Syria, they LOSE their collective mind and say, "Oh wow Bolton! Now there's a great true patriot! Shame on Trump for wanting to abandon our allies! JB knows best!" sheeesh.
I seriously doubt very many anti-Trump liberals think that Bolton is a true patriot.
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