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Old 04-05-2021, 12:07 PM
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Hey guys, I know plenty of you are rugged individualists and amateur historians.

I need your help!

After years of mowing the lawn and not feeding it properly, thereby scalping away the earth, some rocky surfaces started to protrude from the grass.

This was made all the more apparent after some building work, which more or less did in most of the grass.

Revealed, was the top of a structure square in shape, roughly 4ft by 4 ft and filled with earth.

Within the bounds of the walls the ground was particularly damp - as if it didn't properly drain.

I figured, perhaps it was the hard border to an old flower bed. I could dig it out and re-lay it for better drainage.

So I got out my (t)rusty spade and started digging. It turned out these 'borders' were actually walls, made of bricks larger than a standard red brick but smaller than a breezeblock. I kept digging my trench down, to about 3 or 4 feet, and hit water.

At first I was worried I had breached a pipe - but there was no pressure behind the flood, and it was odourless - so I think it is unlikely to be a pipe - neither supply nor waste. I was able to bail out most of the water and the flood didn't refill. I think it may be standing water from rain and snow which was unable to drain.

Due to the depth of the structure, I no longer think it is an old flower bed. It was mostly filled with earth, and a couple of bricks, some terra cotta and a relatively small slab of concrete or two. Not much rubble for the size of it. I also found the blade of a knife, and some hard, brown metal rods - about 3 inches in length - with bulbous ends and something green about an inch or two in length with 3 fins, shaped a bit like the end of a torpedo.

Any idea what these walls may (or the contents) have been? A pond? some kind of pen? A small bomb shelter (the garden is in a UK city)? There was no surface structure - just some underground walls.
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Old 04-05-2021, 12:12 PM
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obviously a shallow grave Hannibal Lecter
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Old 04-05-2021, 12:14 PM
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Probably a very old sewage drain. We still have those made of actual terracotta pipe here. 60+ year old structure. Still in use. Still got spare pipe laying about too. It's how we know. We also looked for it in the ground.

Run water from the house and see if it floods.

On the bright side, it's already excavated if its important.

May have been disused, obsolete, ours are still on the planning maps at cityhall from back then. Got to order that up in person and pay cash to look at them tho. Not stuff on the web.
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Old 04-05-2021, 12:24 PM
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old root cellar maybe

edit: What exactly is the material of the walls, You willing to post a quick picture of just the concrete composition. May be able to date it from that.
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Old 04-05-2021, 12:32 PM
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I use something like this on my farm. Whenever I need to jack off one of the horses I will place myself in a small brick box while performing the act, it calms the animal and eliminates the threat of getting kicked in the head upon completion.
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Old 04-05-2021, 12:32 PM
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Could just be old fashioned attempt at drainage to get water to go away from ur foundation. Is it on a hill?

Sounds like something I put in for a separate drain field for a washing machine, so it bypassed our old homesteads septic. But that was all like pvc in 2006.
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Old 04-05-2021, 12:34 PM
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Naw this was up the dirt road on acreage. There was no actual city code. Deep red republican territorial county.

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Old 04-05-2021, 12:41 PM
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Are the walls on every 4 sides?
Is there a solid base all the way around it?
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Old 04-05-2021, 12:50 PM
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The bricks
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some sheets of thick glass
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how wall appeared before excavation
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Old 04-05-2021, 12:53 PM
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We put a big barrel full of holes in a rubble filled pit. Seems like that but more old fashioned.

Maybe do a raised bed?

Or dig out along the bricks some more. What's on the other side of the bricks?
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