What is each classes role / responsibilities in a raid?

[Trexller]

Originally Posted by Furitor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Pretty sure CoS FD glitch is based off CoS item itself (and the pre-nerf one stays in game). So this wasn't a mechanic change but an item change. New CoS after the nerf won't work.

like you said The Circlet of Shadow (insta-cast) is not nerfed, but replaced by the item drop Circlet of ShadowS (with a cast time. The Pre-nerf CoS no longer prevents you from re-agroing when you stand from FD

It may have been when all FD gets nerfed (no longer instantly clears agro) i dont recall exactly.

It was such that with the instant cast CoS, one could click it within a fraction of a second after standing from FD and remain without agro.

I recall being able to pull better than monks on my SK. Instant splits, no effort. So was it a mechanic change?

[Furitor]

Originally Posted by 7thGate [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm not really sure warrior = only raid tank is that accurate anymore. After the clicky aggro nerfs, there's stuff where you really want the snap aggro more than you care about the durability because flipping the dragon into the mana sieving enchanters or DPS. I'm not really convinced you always want warriors over paladins, especially for Gore but also possibly not for VS or Trak.

Like, 25% misses from evasion is good against the 1500 damage lifetap bosses, but so is flat 18 seconds of immunity to lifetap + unbeatable snap aggro. I dunno, doesn't seem that clear cut to me. Guess we'll see what the meta looks like when it drops though.

Yeah -- metas change all the time. I think people can be too stuck on the old ways. Not saying it's not efficient, but there are Knights tanking Sky bosses at level 50 on Green just fine right now with a proper CH rotation. Before Sky dropped everyone was saying "time for warriors to shine"... for no real reason even thought discs aren't even out... the snap aggro esp. with the DPS required to down bosses at lower levels really helps here. Better to put some of your warriors on DPS w/ their DPS weapon in some cases as their DPS is very underrated IMO.

A game I like to always refer back to is Super Smash Bros. Melee. The game has been out forever and the meta is still changing. New mechanics/meta characters are being found every few years. For a long time some of the characters thought to be garbage suddenly became meta (with ZERO patches).

Anyway a bit off topic but every class has a role through all the expansions for raiding. IMO just don't corner yourself in and have more than one raid character if you want to seriously raid.

[Keebz]

Originally Posted by Furitor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

IMO just don't corner yourself in and have more than one raid character if you want to seriously raid.

Also, make sure you make your mains on different accounts, or else you're gonna be stuck playing your Cleric / Ench / Bard, or whatever the most needed class at the time is.

[Furitor]

Originally Posted by Keebz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also, make sure you make your mains on different accounts, or else you're gonna be stuck playing your Cleric / Ench / Bard, or whatever the most needed class at the time is.

This. Times 100.

[Blingy]

So I play a mage; been a mage main since late 2000. Good pet that can offtank or dps depending on pet. My nukes are pretty good; coming in at over 800 points of damage every 10 seconds including cool-down.

My first two mini-raids consisted of 3 groups or thereabouts. Assist was called so send in pet, wait a few seconds then start blasting. Lots of fun IMO.

Went to plane of fear with 8 groups or so. I was told to be a vending machine. Make sure all the pets had swords then start summoning mana sticks. Make a stick, drop it on the ground, make another stick, drop it, on and on and on. Watch the sticks poof but am told to continue making them. Boring as hell. Part time vending machine is fine; fudge full time though.

[Coridan]

Originally Posted by Keebz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also, make sure you make your mains on different accounts, or else you're gonna be stuck playing your Cleric / Ench / Bard, or whatever the most needed class at the time is.

This sounds like a major pain in the ass if you have an IP exemption for playing with your partner. Aren't IP exemptions login account specific not full account specific?

[NPC]

You mean paladins?

Really you need a couple max level alts if your looking to raid, you can still main any class, but should keep either chanter, cleric or warrior(ogre) alts.
Only the best decked BIS warriors are considered for raid MA, an that's who has the most fun. Other than that, any other tank class can MA for the alt groups.

Raid responsibilities-
Chanter - Mez, slow, tash, Buff
Cleric - Complete Heal, Buff
Warrior - Tank

Everyone else is off tank, buff, heal or DPS, that's it. The main raid group does most the work an everyone else is waiting and assisting. So it can get really boring if you're not the main raid group(s), and those are usually reserved for BIS characters an specific classes depending on the raid. Pullers can vary, ranger, bard, monk, SK, but with Mezz an solid competent groups, that doesn't really matter as much either.
The entire strategy for 99% of all raids = CH chains and Ogre warriors that can hold agro makes the world go round. Chanters/shaman slow an haste.
Which is why you want an alt of with chanter, cleric, or warrior, they are the only essential classes.

[Phatez]

Monk = train the raid
Necro = train the raid
Mage = Make mod rods, and send pet in
Enchanter = Maintain high dps pets, buff
Shaman = slow, buff
Ranger = take DT
Paladin/SK = snap agro, can quickly agro mobs onto them
warrior = tank mobs that hit frikkin hard
wizard = kite shit, port people around
rogue = reroll mage
cleric = heal
druid = heal, kite
bard = train the other guilds raid

[Vaarsuvius]

Originally Posted by Blingy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So I play a mage; been a mage main since late 2000. Good pet that can offtank or dps depending on pet. My nukes are pretty good; coming in at over 800 points of damage every 10 seconds including cool-down.

My first two mini-raids consisted of 3 groups or thereabouts. Assist was called so send in pet, wait a few seconds then start blasting. Lots of fun IMO.

Went to plane of fear with 8 groups or so. I was told to be a vending machine. Make sure all the pets had swords then start summoning mana sticks. Make a stick, drop it on the ground, make another stick, drop it, on and on and on. Watch the sticks poof but am told to continue making them. Boring as hell. Part time vending machine is fine; fudge full time though.

Fret not ! You will soon be able to CotH during raids too [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[turbosilk]

Originally Posted by Vanessa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I know that generally speaking, Knights tank, Melee and Casters DPS, and Priests Heal/Buff. But I was wondering specifically, what are some of the responsibilities and jobs of each class in a raid?

For example, I know Rogues do a lot of DPS... but don't they also do some things with Hide and Sneak? Or Wizards, they mostly nuke... but they have stun spells too, right?

I was hoping some of you raiding veterans could explain a little more specifically to me about each class and what they're expected to do in raids?

Thanks!

Rogues aren't real dps yet. That's casters, esp mages.