Green - Human Innoruk Cleric

[Velerin]

Hah I never knew why people are obsessed with total mana. It means nothing for exp groups as it’s all about mana regen. It helps for soloing big mobs or raiding mobs that die fast. You could have 10000 mana but it ain’t gonna help you level faster.

[Vexenu]

Originally Posted by DMN [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And so you've proven the point. You aren't even hitting 200 cha despite turning yourself in into a paper bag with a hello kitty sticker on it.

Ideally, you wouldn't have the cleric pull, but you won't always have ideal party compositions for what you are doing, especially when doing things in smaller groups and obviously solo.

And both clerics are going to be buying virtually identical gear. Except to maintain the mana advanatge the +25 wis cleric is going to have to swapping to high plat items like tiara and +mana jewlery -- which is, guess what, really expensive.

You don't need to wear +100 in CHA gear all the time when pulling (as I said, most calm pulling is done for convenience). But the point is you could if you wanted to and it wouldn't cost you very much. And by pumping WIS at creation you then are able to wear a lot more +HP and +mana items. HP rings instead of +6 WIS rings, Sarnak Battle Shield, BS Platinum necklace, etc... You end up with a lot more HP and mana when you don't need to itemize as much for WIS directly. Much more gearing flexibility. Spending 25 points into CHA is ridiculous when you can wear +100 CHA in items for very cheap on the small number of occasions when a crit calm failure will 100% result in your death. And at the end of the day people roll Clerics to heal groups and raids. CHA does very little for them.

[DMN]

Originally Posted by Vexenu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You don't need to wear +100 in CHA gear all the time when pulling (as I said, most calm pulling is done for convenience).

Ya, you need to wear it at the most dangerous time, the same time when you could use all the wis/hp/ac you can if you do get a crit lull. And you shouldn't generalize out ow you play the game to other people either. Pulling 1 mob instead of 3-5 is not a "convenience" in my EQ world 90% of the time. Also, you are going to be losing mana for all these widsom/mana items you unequip to put on cha gear.

Originally Posted by Vexenu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But the point is you could if you wanted to and it wouldn't cost you very much. And by pumping WIS at creation you then are able to wear a lot more +HP and +mana items. HP rings instead of +6 WIS rings, Sarnak Battle Shield, BS Platinum necklace, etc... You end up with a lot more HP and mana when you don't need to itemize as much for WIS directly. Much more gearing flexibility. Spending 25 points into CHA is ridiculous when you can wear +100 CHA in items for very cheap on the small number of occasions when a crit calm failure will 100% result in your death. And at the end of the day people roll Clerics to heal groups and raids. CHA does very little for them.

Now this is where you just don't understand itemization in EQ. It's much easier to find big +wis items than it is to find + mana items. And most slots don't even have a good + mana item in classic, but almost every slot has good + wis. If you don't go after the + mana gear you will totally lose your already small mana edge over a cleric who didn't put 25 points in wisdom-- which contradicts the entire argument for starting with +25 wis. So you either believe that mana is that important or you don't, but you don't get to argue out of 2 sides of your mouth. No raid guild or group gives a flying fuck if you put 25 points in wisdom or not. But your group might be pretty thankful they have less downtime, and safer CRs with a cleric who can lull well.