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DPS matters an incredible amount, but DPS is mostly down to class, not gear. How often do you willingly choose a wizard over a rogue, or a druid over a magician, when filling a DPS spot? Probably never, unless you're favoring a friend over a stranger. That's because DPS matters more than anything when grinding, provided that you're not literally dying to XP mobs, which is very easy to prevent with just the very basics covered. Nobody puts together a group consisting of a cleric, druid, bard, enchanter, paladin and ranger, because while that group would have all the utility in the world, it wouldn't maintain an acceptable rate of kills/hour. Meanwhile, people will happily go with three or even four top-tier DPS classes and just a single healer and a tank. | |||
Last edited by greatdane; 08-02-2022 at 11:26 AM..
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Please share the leveling path data! EDIT: Also, you can't weigh soloing heavily for rogues, because they are a grouping class. Otherwise you would end up rating something like a Cleric lower, even though they shouldn't be rated lower because of that. Quote:
Melee DPS is heavily dependent on gear. As you say, Weapons and a Haste item. But plenty of people have bad weapons and haste items[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] If you don't gear screen, you could get a Rouge with an FBSS and a 0.33 ratio weapon or a Rogue with his Epic and a 0.6 ratio weapon. You probably don't notice the difference, even though the increase in DPS between those two would be considerable. Again, this is easy proof that DPS doesn't matter as much as you say. The reason why people don't pick Wizards is mostly due to stigma. A good wizard (especially with clickies) can DPS fine. Druids aren't really DPS classes in groups, so that isn't really a good analogy (unless they are charming, in which case they are better DPS than a Mage).
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Last edited by DeathsSilkyMist; 08-02-2022 at 12:12 PM..
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I also want to know where all these non-COTH-parked magicians at 60 are at, because I don't see 'em around very often at all in the parts of the game I hang out in. What are they doing? Besides raiding, that is. I see them doing something like 4-way in Kael Drakkel once in awhile but on balance it's a rather uncommon 60 to see out and about.
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That's because they are underpowered outside of raiding in Kunark/Velious. There's a better choice for just about any activity.
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When talking about overall power, no class is excluded from any one area and you need to consider every aspect of the game. Solo, duo, trio, 4, 5, 6 man groups, and raids. Clerics will take a hit because of solo, but they are a much better duo/trio class than rogues, so they get more points for that. When you evaluate every aspect, mages do pretty well. Rogues do great in bigger groups & raids, but overall they fall pretty far down there with rangers & wizards. If you think that OP/UP means giving rogues an exclusion in the solo scene since they weren't necessarily intended to be solo classes, then we are having 2 entirely different discussions [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Edit: https://wiki.project1999.com/Loraen%...election_Guide I think Loraen did a pretty good job at rating each class overall. I'd probably tweak a few things since he made this in Kunark era, like SK/pal can solo a lot better than he gives them credit for, but overall I think it's pretty good, and as you can see, magicians are pretty high up, because they shine in almost any situation. | |||
Last edited by Crede; 08-02-2022 at 12:54 PM..
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Mages are designed to solo, group, and raid. Rogues are designed to group and raid. The only reason why raiding typically has a lower consideration in this type of evaluation is because a "normal" player is only casually raiding, REGARDLESS of class. So you can include such a consideration because it isn't class specific.
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And your evaluation of when a rogue is better depends on level. At level 60 most people would take rogues because they out DPS a Mage. At lower levels you are correct, but a class shouldn't simply be evaluated on how well they can level, especially if they basically stop being played at high levels due to their lack of ability (which is true). That is why Mages all end up as CoTH bots. Other classes are just better at everything a Mage can do besides CoTH.
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