Respawn Dain after a failed Ring War

[Detoxx]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No thanks. Ring war is a ring war is a ring war.

Not agreeing to this, you realize, is not in your best interest? This is completely fair and reasonable. Its something that you can do with your guild as a scheduled prime-time event.

Why do you not want to agree?

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by Detoxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not agreeing to this, you realize, is not in your best interest? This is completely fair and reasonable. Its something that you can do with your guild as a scheduled prime-time event.

Why do you not want to agree?

Because you're doing ring wars full well knowing the encounter isn't winnable due to the mechanics. BDA did two wars. Once at the start of velious, and a 2nd time after a patch. Both times we had staff there to yank giants out of the ground. We supplied full logs of giants with broken mechanics, giants with absurd AC, and giants falling under the world.

Despite full well knowing the encounter is broken you're still doing this crap. You even did it two days in a row. It's blatant abuse of a known bug to get free Dains. On top of that when people try to contest a Dain you purposefully pull shady tactics (which of course you've flatly denied) and acted like children to the point where Sirken banned three guilds from the encounter for two weeks.

I'm not going to collude with you to exploit a known bug. There shouldn't be any more ring wars until the next patch assuming there's some points in there about adjustments to the encounter.

[Pint]

war is very winnable. next excuse.

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by Pint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

war is very winnable. next excuse.

Giants currently undefeated despite every single raid mob in the game dying already. Obviously everyone just isn't geared enough yet. #eyeroll

[Detoxx]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Because you're doing ring wars full well knowing the encounter isn't winnable due to the mechanics. BDA did two wars. Once at the start of velious, and a 2nd time after a patch. Both times we had staff there to yank giants out of the ground. We supplied full logs of giants with broken mechanics, giants with absurd AC, and giants falling under the world.

Despite full well knowing the encounter is broken you're still doing this crap. You even did it two days in a row. It's blatant abuse of a known bug to get free Dains. On top of that when people try to contest a Dain you purposefully pull shady tactics (which of course you've flatly denied) and acted like children to the point where Sirken banned three guilds from the encounter for two weeks.

I'm not going to collude with you to exploit a known bug. There shouldn't be any more ring wars until the next patch assuming there's some points in there about adjustments to the encounter.

So Rampages attempt today was an exploit? Ours was when we all got very close? Just because Chest thinks its not winnable, does not mean its not winnable.

Judging by this post, your agreeance isn't required anyways.

Also, I dont appreciate baseless accusations by not only you, but your entire guild, being thrown at me for something you know nothing about. Its very unbecoming. Doing it 2 days in a row was a result of, get this, getting very close to winning and wanting to try again.

The dev's are aware of this, have not addressed it, therefore its not an exploit. This is not a discussion about whether it's and exploit or not though, this is a discussion about avoiding the mess that was a few Dains ago.

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by Detoxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So Rampages attempt today was an exploit? Ours was when we all got very close? Just because Chest thinks its not winnable, does not mean its not winnable.

Judging by this post, your agreeance isn't required anyways.

Also, I dont appreciate baseless accusations being thrown at me for something you know nothing about. Its very unbecoming.

I don't believe rampage had attempted a ring war until today. Now that they have an attempt in I'd assume they'll likely leave it off the list of things to do. That's a far cry from attempting it one day, failing, and running it back the next day again.

And my accusations aren't baseless, we both know what happened. Keep fronting though.

Edit: why do you have to be explicitly told something isn't allowed before you stop doing that something. Have some goddamn integrity. That mentality is what destroys the raid scene and it's not specific to you or your guild, it's the pervasive mindset that turns the utopia that this server should be into LawyerQuest frapsquest manchild theater.

[Detoxx]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't believe rampage had attempted a ring war until today. Now that they have an attempt in I'd assume they'll likely leave it off the list of things to do. That's a far cry from attempting it one day, failing, and running it back the next day again.

And my accusations aren't baseless, we both know what happened. Keep fronting though.

Unfortunately, an accusation without any evidence is the definition of a baseless accusation. But this isn't RnF and again, not the topic being addressed in this thread.

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by Detoxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Unfortunately, an accusation without any evidence is the definition of a baseless accusation. But this isn't RnF and again, not the topic being addressed in this thread.

Oh?

Originally Posted by Detoxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why do you not want to agree?

Don't ask if you don't want the answer.

[Pan]

The ringwar may indeed be winnable. But so far the server is 0-fer on it. Winnable and tuned properly are two different things. Don't conflate them.

There's an easy answer to this: Fix the fucking Dain bug.

Fix the fucking ring war.

Don't exploit broken stuff.

The ring war is a jewel in the crown of velious. A really, really neat event that should have been completed many, many times in more than 4 months of velious. We're all better players, better geared, and better mechanically than we were on live. And we were doing it 4 months in with ~40 people on Druzzil.

It's broken. Fix it. But don't try to game what's broken for loot.

(if the staff is unable or unwilling to fix the Dain bug, it should be an easy thing to DT the should-not-have-been-spawned Dain...)

[Pan]

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This thread: let's come up with a player-made agreement to exploit a bug.