High AC on A Rogue?

[Allishia]

Originally Posted by Encroaching Death [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But first: Do Damage

Or second: Do Damage

Because you can't do damage unless you're alive.

What came first? The damage or the survival

Lmao wait for assist call, dps, and don't die /nod..
Gear for resist cause almost everything that matters has some type of AOE spell...and HP so incase you don't resist the spell, you have enough HP to not gank agro from low HP.../whew...

Note, any class can tank group content cause most of it is slow able anyway, still better off to let anyone but the rogue tank because they can't do DPS while tanking defeating the whole point of their class aside from dragging corpses and moving pets /nod.

[Ripqozko]

Originally Posted by Allishia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lmao wait for assist call, dps, and don't die /nod..
Gear for resist cause almost everything that matters has some type of AOE spell...and HP so incase you don't resist the spell, you have enough HP to not gank agro from low HP.../whew...

Note, any class can tank group content cause most of it is slow able anyway, still better off to let anyone but the rogue tank because they can't do DPS while tanking defeating the whole point of their class aside from dragging corpses and moving pets /nod.

Imagine a world where you don't raid, kinda like when you were in the shit tier guild BDA. Hope that helps.

[Allishia]

Originally Posted by Ripqozko [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Imagine a world where you don't raid, kinda like when you were in the shit tier guild BDA. Hope that helps.

Hey I raided in bda!! We did hate raids, trak that I won a donal bp from! Did VP too when tmo was banned for something and ofc skyday Friday am and pm woohoo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Cecily]

Originally Posted by Allishia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Rofl sorry you think rogues are tanks. Maybe try a monk? They can actually tank well and still do DPS unlike rogue who can't dps worth a crap while tanking...and don't tell me about the back n forth spinning mobs, that's a pain in the butt and only works half the time.

Why are you in this thread? /nod This type of inflexible thinking is pervasive in MMO communities and it's gross. Get the fuck out.

[Cecily]

Originally Posted by Encroaching Death [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Rogues shouldn't tank.

Rogues shouldn't pull.

Rogues shouldn't solo.

It's all these oughts that rigid thinking people will repeat to you over and over again. You are more than a DPS bot. You are a puller. A soloist. And if you build your character up, a tank. These roles are definitely more challenging on this class, but it primarily comes down to being a good player who strives to get the most out of their character.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's all these oughts that rigid thinking people will repeat to you over and over again. You are more than a DPS bot. You are a puller. A soloist. And if you build your character up, a tank. These roles are definitely more challenging on this class, but it primarily comes down to being a good player who strives to get the most out of their character.

People aren't saying you can't tank, pull, or solo. You can play however you want. Again, basically any class can tank if you have a Torpor Shaman.

There are two problems. The first problem is this is an MMO, so the opinion of your party members matters, unless you want to be a dick. If people want you to play the DPS role as a Rogue, you should take that into consideration.

The second problem is in 6 man group, the Rogue pulling/tanking is usually the worst choice, unless you have a non-standard group, like 6 rogues or something. The server population is still healthy, so it usually isn't hard to find a puller/tank AND a DPS (Rogue).

[Cecily]

You're also unhelpful in that you're weighing in on a class you don't play. Yes people are saying that, which I base off of playing a rogue since Y2K in addition to comments from this thread. Your problems are also non-issues. 6-man groups are horribly inefficient and a bad way to play. Torpor shamans are the tank. It's a moot point. Most people in life, and here by extension, are idiots who weigh in on areas they don't have any experience with. But please continue giving post-epic weapon advice without understanding the fundamentals of that decision.


Higher AC allows rogues to tank when necessary. Solo more efficiently. Pull agro and pull mobs with less consequences. It's a good stat to gear for.

[Ripqozko]

Add in that kael armor looks better ontop of the ac gain.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're also unhelpful in that you're weighing in on a class you don't play. Yes people are saying that, which I base off of playing a rogue since Y2K in addition to comments from this thread. Your problems are also non-issues. 6-man groups are horribly inefficient and a bad way to play. Torpor shamans are the tank. It's a moot point. Most people in life, and here by extension, are idiots who weigh in on areas they don't have any experience with. But please continue giving post-epic weapon advice without understanding the fundamentals of that decision.


Higher AC allows rogues to tank when necessary. Solo more efficiently. Pull agro and pull mobs with less consequences. It's a good stat to gear for.

I wasn't saying people should play 6 man groups, or that they were efficient. I was saying groups only allow up to 6 members, so your role actually matters. If group sizes were like 12 or higher, you would have plenty of redundancy, which would allow you to do abnormal things like Rogue tanking. Since most groups are 3-4 players, you can't really afford to have a Rogue tanking. They would fill the DPS slot, because an actual Tank would fill the Tank slot better, and the group size is too small to justify the Rogue tanking.

You don't need to play a class to understand the basic nature of the class. Rogues operate the same way in terms of HP, AC, and Resistances when it comes to tanking. Rogues don't have some kind of special stat no other class gets. They get two decent defensive discs, but with a 60/30 min cooldowns and short durations, they are not useable often.

Rogues are a DPS class that need to be behind the mob to get the most out of their DPS. That is a fact.

Obviously more AC helps with soloing, but Rogues are one of the worst solo classes. That is a fact.

I don't think anybody here is saying "don't get AC if you want to solo". They are simply trying to point out to OP that getting really high AC isn't going to suddenly turn a Rogue into a strong solo class, or a strong tank. This is a fact.

Let's steel-man the argument and say Rogues can tank as well as an SK/Paladin, because they get better Dodge/Parry/Riposte numbers, which makes up for their lower HP and AC cap. I don't believe this is the case, but we will go with it for now. A Rogue is still significantly reducing their DPS doing this, and have no special agro generation mechanics (not even taunt). Best case scenario you are a crappier Warrior without Taunt and Discs. The unfortunate truth is once you get to that level, other classes can also step in and tank lol. Priests and Cloth casters would be able to generate agro better.

[Cecily]

Oh ok.