Iksar shaman

[Messianic]

JBB is pretty huge from 45-on, diminishing with level and additional awesome loots (i.e. iksar regen bp, fungi tunic, etc). I'd think long and hard about forgoing it.

[azeth]

Originally Posted by Messianic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

JBB is pretty huge from 45-on, diminishing with level and additional awesome loots (i.e. iksar regen bp, fungi tunic, etc). I'd think long and hard about forgoing it.

also, as if its never been mentioned before - *ogre shamans can solo WW dragons. theyre the only ones, the oonnnlyyy ones.

[Skope]

Originally Posted by azeth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

also, as if its never been mentioned before - *ogre shamans can solo WW dragons. theyre the only ones, the oonnnlyyy ones.

not true not true! you don't need to be an ogre. it certainly helps, but isn't necessary.

[azeth]

Originally Posted by Skope [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

not true not true! you don't need to be an ogre. it certainly helps, but isn't necessary.

i believe you, but personally if someone dumped a 60 troll sham on me and told me to getr dun - i couldnt.

[Brawk]

Did some reading on the jbb and I'm ok with not having access to it.

I think this guy said it best.

"My lvl 54 Shaman never had a JBB, and shockingly was still able to progress, fight, and contribute to a team. I can cast an Ice nuke about 4x stronger than the JBB. Frankly, I'd rather meditate with the time I would have spent casting with this item (it's not a quick cast).

The Shaman is one of the more complex classes, we have lots of diffent abilities and our role varies depending on who we are grouped with. Sprinkling the MoB with snowflakes when you should be slowing it instead is not wise. Use your imagination, adapt to your circumstances. Try fighting Ice Gaints with a JBB, and you'll suddenly realize you may have negelected learning other strategies.

The JBB is a favorite for lvl 45-50 Shamen who like to solo. I don't like soloing, I think as a Shaman I am MUCH more effective in a group, and I really don't like the idea of lvl 45 Shamen depending on an item that drops in a lvl 55-60 dungeon. Like a lot of dropped items, by the time you can actually get it by hunting, you don't need it anymore. "

[Skope]

Originally Posted by azeth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i believe you, but personally if someone dumped a 60 troll sham on me and told me to getr dun - i couldnt.

the stun is intermittent and not as frequent as you seem to think. The bigger stuns you worry about as a melee sham are the spell stuns, which suck ass.

if you want to play an iksar, go for it. my iksar sham was a lot of fun and i had a good time killing anything and everything in my sight. If you do go iksar, though, expect to have a rougher, bumpier and generally longer ride to 60 and subsequently harder fights at 60 (icewurm fang helps).

[Messianic]

Originally Posted by Brawk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"My lvl 54 Shaman never had a JBB, and shockingly was still able to progress, fight, and contribute to a team.

Ehh...no one's arguing viability or usefulness. We're arguing whether having the JBB is better than not having it.

Originally Posted by Brawk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I can cast an Ice nuke about 4x stronger than the JBB. Frankly, I'd rather meditate with the time I would have spent casting with this item (it's not a quick cast). "

Very true, and at level 60, you're almost better off not using the JBB from a purely mathematical standpoint - especially if you're a regen race.

[Skope]

^^ that depends heavily on gear.

During velious most shams will swap spear of fate + icewurm fang, which is a nifty little piercer. The 8 seconds casting JBB could be more useful doing something else, like cannibalize>torpor and building mana to drop a frost DD or poison DoT. This also depends on how much HP the mob has and just whether or not you're tanking and taking heavy damage.

The line of thought was: use fungi to 60 then swap for AC/HP and other stat gear. Cannibalize>torpor is incredible mana regen and the fungi +15 is negligible and barely helps (1 extra cannibalize?), whereas wearing a stat-BP would be better when melee'ing/soloing unless it's a non-summoning root/rot type of fight.

The JBB argument follows much the same logic. You may be better off regening mana/hp via torpor/can and casting heavier nukes/dots than spam-clicking that JEEBEEB. Of course if you're out of mana and it's an endurance fight where you're trying to stay tippy-top health and save mana for heals/debuffs then the jbb is fantastic (like dragons).

[Kanz]

If you're already taking the exp and faction hit you might as well take the extra ac and regen. JBB is quite blah.

[ukaking]

Got a lvl 51 Ikky warrior. Never had to faction anything. Play Iksar. Seek out the Harbingers of Thule for allies.