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Old 03-23-2023, 02:42 PM
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People keep saying this like it's facts but is there any proof other than "it feels different because enchanters in my groups didn't charm back then"?
No. The answer to your question is "No."
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Old 03-23-2023, 04:27 PM
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no the answer is who cares just play an enchanter and git gud you plebs
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Old 03-24-2023, 09:47 AM
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People keep saying this like it's facts but is there any proof other than "it feels different because enchanters in my groups didn't charm back then"?
I played an enchanter back then, I did solo charm in Seb or lower dogs while bored at 60, or in early luclin. I would semi-regularly die to multiple resists on tashed, low blue cons - which simply cannot happen on P99.
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Old 03-24-2023, 10:10 AM
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Hmm there was a post trilogy resist/spell/melee rebanalnce, wasnít there? Part of it was a rebalance of max damage to be just 2dmg+db. Sad times.
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Old 03-24-2023, 11:39 AM
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I played an enchanter back then, I did solo charm in Seb or lower dogs while bored at 60, or in early luclin. I would semi-regularly die to multiple resists on tashed, low blue cons - which simply cannot happen on P99.
Man I wish I knew how to find evidence to prove this!
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Old 03-24-2023, 12:08 PM
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I played an enchanter back then, I did solo charm in Seb or lower dogs while bored at 60, or in early luclin. I would semi-regularly die to multiple resists on tashed, low blue cons - which simply cannot happen on P99.
Yeah, on low blues on p99 some spells have a 0 chance to be resisted; I thought there was a resists floor on live but I'm not sure. Lower dogs mobs still have a chance to resist here though, more like velk entrance spiders where you start to see literally 0 resists on some spells.
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Old 03-24-2023, 12:09 PM
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Old 03-24-2023, 12:52 PM
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Man I wish I knew how to find evidence to prove this!
At this stage though, the discussion is academic - I wouldn't expect such a radical change. Toxigen is pretty much right there.
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Old 03-24-2023, 01:44 PM
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Eh, Nilbog has made some pretty dramatic changes over the years when presented with evidence.

I truly believe he wants the server to be as classic as possible, but just ... he thinks what he has now is correct, and won't change his mind without evidence to the contrary.
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Old 03-27-2023, 02:28 PM
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Another unhelpful anecdotal:

I played live from early 2000-2007. I played druid until right around Velious launch and switched to enchanter. Blew past my 35 druid to level 60 in like 3 months due to enchanters being highly sought in groups.

My wife was playing cleric but played significantly less than I did at the time. I remember PL'ing her in Chardok in the lev tunnel by CE using charm exclusively (50-60 for her). Just the 2 of us, and her mostly afk for the duration.

Shortly after this though was Luclin and then that huge nerf to enchanter charm pet damage but i cant figure out when that actually went live. That charm change 100% stopped my use of charmed pets (aside from some playing with dire charming in POP later).

The real skew with this perception in my opinion is that we are living in a very specific window that only existed for maybe a little over a year in live.

But also, my memory may not be entirely trustworthy on the entirety of this.

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